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Post by Angela on Feb 15, 2016 2:45:53 GMT -5
Hi Everyone,
So our basic routine for the last 4 weeks has been the same.
During the week I get Skye out in the mornings and he has breaky with me and generally hangs around with me while I get ready for work and get Joel ready for school. Then I put him back in his cage for the day. When I get home from work, I take him out of his cage and he hangs out with us until bed time at 9pm.
Of course he's out more over the weekends, but this is our general routine.
Anyway since last week he has been getting harder and harder to put back into his cage in the mornings. He's ok at night when I make it all dark (although last night took a little longer than ususal). But the mornings are getting so so hard!!!!
He just keeps flying away and of course I have to catch him to put him away, but he keeps flying away!
I've tried bribery with a pumpkin seed but he just drops it!
Any hints?? The only 2 choices I can see at this stage are either trimming his wings to stop him flying away or like this morning, I just didn't take him out this morning. So he is only getting his out of cage time when I get home from work which was about 5.30 this arvo.
Thanks!
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Post by Jan and Shah on Feb 15, 2016 4:00:50 GMT -5
He is now pushing the boundaries to see how far he can get. You have to be confident in your dealings with him. I would try different briberies - he doesn't want the pumpkin seed if he is dropping it. You could try 1 or 2 sunflower seeds, some fruit, a bit of pasta, etc. Personally I would be inclined to pop it in his cage - let him see what you are doing so he knows there is a reward when he goes back into the cage. Others will be along shortly with different strategies - try out which ones you think will work. Shah's wings are clipped but I never have problems getting him back into his cage - he runs straight to the food bowl to see what is in there. However, if you want to keep Skye flighted, then try out what others suggest. Let us know how you go.
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Post by easttex on Feb 15, 2016 5:53:35 GMT -5
I think a big part of the problem is that Skye knows the routine too well, and I agree with Jan, he's growing up and pushing the boundaries. I would try to vary the routine a little, so Skye isn't quite so sure where he's going. Instead of heading straight for the cage, have him step up and then do something he likes to do for a few minutes. Peppy is almost always happy to go to his cage, but when Allie started resisting bedtime, we started doing something she enjoyed between the step up and the return. Chatting in front of a mirror, or a brief tour of the house. Now, even when I can't do that, she's much more amenable.
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Post by Angela on Feb 15, 2016 6:12:36 GMT -5
Thanks Jan. I kinda figured he'd be testing boundaries soon haha! I have been confident so far and made sure if I started putting him in his cage, then I continued until I got him there! I think in the end he just got puffed and so I eventually caught him lol! He's been getting harder and harder to put in his cage for a week now though... Gosh I hope he learns it's ok soon!
He wasn't too bad tonight going to bed. Just seems to be more trouble in the morning of course cause he knows we go to work and leave him alone all day I guess!
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Post by Angela on Feb 15, 2016 6:17:06 GMT -5
Thanks Easttex. I agree he does know the routine too well. Mornings are hard. Very short on time of course between getting myself organised for work, getting Joel organised for school and keeping Skye happy lol! He has worked out he loves head scratches now, so I was thinking I might try that tomorrow. As I've only had him 4 weeks, I am still unsure (other than the head scratch) what it is he likes just yet!
Thanks for the suggestions! I'll give them a try tomorrow!!
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Post by beccilouise on Feb 15, 2016 7:53:25 GMT -5
Hi Angela, everyone else has given you fantastic suggestions. I've never had this issue as our 'routine' is quite erratic and so Byron doesn't always know EXACTLY when he'll be put back. However, I do always leave some of his favourite treats in his cage so that he can stuff his face with them when he goes home. I have tried Byron on: dried mixed berries, dried mixed fruit, dried sweet potato and Kale vegetables and egg biscuits. He loves them all. These are also good things to hide in toys to encourage foraging as they don't go off. See if you can get hold of some of these treats at a reputable store or a recommended online bird store and experiment with which ones Skye likes best good luck!
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Post by Angela on Feb 15, 2016 15:53:40 GMT -5
More good idea's thanks Beccilouise. I think I have an easy weekend this weekend coming, so I think I'll go shopping for some treats and my play stand I've been thinking about! (online of course because Mildura sucks for anything for birds....)
Thanks again!
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Post by biteybird on Feb 16, 2016 1:32:21 GMT -5
Bonnie does not come out of her cage (apart from me transferring her from her sleep cage to her day cage around 7am) until we're home from work around 5pm, but that's because we have to leave so early. She seems to do OK with that, so I'm guessing if you wanted to cancel the morning out-of-cage time I'm guessing Skye would probably adapt quite well.
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Post by Angela on Feb 16, 2016 5:52:02 GMT -5
Thanks Biteybird. I've read before other's saying it's all about quality not quantity. He's actually been ok with the last 2 mornings staying covered up until we are just about to leave for school and work. Our dining room and kitchen are just one huge room, so his cage is there so he's in the main part of the house while we are there. Then after dinner he comes into the lounge room with me (Scott usually goes into the shower then bed as he gets up earlier than us). Then around 9pm I pop him into his cage and cover him up for sleep. Don't hear peep from him at all until we actually uncover him in the morning. I try to creep around in the morning and it doesn't seem to disturb him.
Thanks again. Makes me feel a little less guilty lol!
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Post by beccilouise on Feb 16, 2016 15:22:35 GMT -5
I also sometimes feel guilty about Byron being on his own during the day, but they get used to the routine really fast. I think Byron naps during the day while I'm away, as well as preens his rope toy and attacks his palm leave pinata. As long as Skye has a cage that is big enough for him to move around amply in, and has lots of toys to keep him occupied while you are out, AND gets the time with you that he needs each day, he will adapt. He's still just a baby so he'll adapt more quickly now. When David is home for the day, Byron has two hours in the morning with us, where he sits with us, or sits with me and I give him cuddles, then he goes to his cage for some play time. (Sometimes I sit with him and write for an hour while he's in his cage, sometimes David and spend some time together), then he comes out for another two hours and plays with us or does training in the evening. He goes into his cage to have a last bit of food an hour before his bedtime, which is as 9pm. On days when I work, he doesn't come out in the morning as I leave at 6.30. He comes out as soon as I get home and then goes to bed at 9pm. If I'm going out in the evening (which is rare), I try to come home first to let him out and give him cuddles for an hour before I go, and then he gets cuddles when I get back. He's done very well at adapting to the routine and even accepts being put in his cage without fuss having a tantrum now, as he knows he will come out again later A lot of this is because Byron is my bird and not David's, and I am trying to balance my time between bird and boyfriend! If all your family want to play with Skye, it will be a lot easier
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Post by Angela on Feb 16, 2016 22:18:16 GMT -5
Thanks Beccilouise. His cage is huge and I have heaps of toys in there too. He didn't make too much noise this morning. Well not as much as the last couple of mornings. We are kinda creeping around a little so we don't disturb him too much, then take his cover off his cage just before we leave for school and work. As today's complaining was a little less than the last few days I'm assuming he's already getting used to it As I said he gets lots more time when it's the weekend which I assume is the same for most people Hahah about spending balancing time between boyfriend and bird... In our case it's a matter of Skye spending time between me and Scott hahaha! He still jumps from one to the other lol! The funny thing is, Joel took him out (he was home from school sick) while he was having lunch and said he had no problems putting him away!! He said he gave him a pumpkin seed, then when he took that, he flipped him on his back (of course very gently and we do it all the time for belly scratches and Skye's fine with it) then slipped him straight into his cage with no problems! Unbelievable! I'll have to try that trick! LOL
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Post by beccilouise on Feb 17, 2016 13:48:18 GMT -5
Hahaha, they are funny little things! Glad Skye is getting used to the new routine though
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Post by aaron on Feb 22, 2016 9:51:36 GMT -5
When Cupcake goes into the cage, she always gets a treat. It's part of the routine that she understands, and consequently she never objects. We vary the treat to keep it interesting... sometimes it's a flax snax, sometimes a piece of an almond, a bit of gluten free waffle, the corner of some toast... At any rate, she is almost enthusiastic about going in her cage at this point. Unless it's bedtime (when she doesn't get a treat because she never wants it, even if offer one). Then it's hit or miss depending on how tired she is or if she feels like we've committed some sort of injustice with the bedtime routine.
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Post by Angela on Feb 22, 2016 19:47:55 GMT -5
Haha well bed time is no problems lol! I just carry him over to his cage and hand him in. He might fly out a few times but I just catch him and walk back to the cage saying 'nigh nigh's time' and after a few goes he usually stays there. On the odd occasion, he's even put himself to bed lol! It's during the day when he knows we are home (weekends) that he objects very strongly!!! Just keeps flying away until eventually he just gets puffed lol! I've actually stopped taking him out for breaky time. It's just too hard to get him back in, which was making us late of work and school! He seems fine with it as he gets 3 to 4 hours out each night with us then out a few times over the weekend as well. I so love hearing how the different quakers react to the same situations I find it fascinating! Thanks again Aaron
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Post by aaron on Feb 23, 2016 10:43:10 GMT -5
It is certainly interesting and very cute to hear the differences between these little bird personalities
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