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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 20:11:23 GMT -5
So I have three dogs and I use pet deodorizer on the carpet someone told me Arm & Hammer Pet Fresh deodorizer could be harmful to my quaker pete is there any truth to this? I'm not doubting them I've just been using it I had him for almost a month and he seems fine I was just wondering? Also I was told that Teflon nonstick pans are also bad to use around birds/ Quaker parrots Teflon nonstick pans are all I use is there any truth to this as well ? I do have to cast iron skillets I use occasionally.
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Post by msdani1981 on Aug 8, 2015 20:42:14 GMT -5
The problem with Teflon is the coating. When it's heated to high temperatures (and there is some disagreement on what 'high temperature' means), it releases toxic fumes that can kill birds in minutes. I admit that I use Teflon, but am extremely careful.
I don't know anything about the Pet Fresh deodorizer. I know that the makers of Febreeze don't recommend using that around birds.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 20:55:21 GMT -5
I was unaware the Teflon problem I didn't know about it before I'll just have to be careful. As I don't have the money to go buy all new pans and pots
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Post by msdani1981 on Aug 8, 2015 21:24:00 GMT -5
Yeah, just be careful not to let water evaporate as it boils....I don't remember the word for it LOL, and be careful when you're stir-frying or sauteing, not to let the oil burn (happened to me once, scared me to death!).  EDIT: When the oil caught fire, I put the fire out and then had all of the birds out of the house within 5 minutes, and took them to the vet the next day. I got lucky; they were all fine. |
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Post by easttex on Aug 9, 2015 5:53:56 GMT -5
Teflon fumes have killed many birds, and I'd be really cautious with it and replace it when possible. In the meantime, don't use it under the broiler, and don't heat it dry. I'd take the precaution of putting Pete in a separate closed-door room while using it. The chances may be slim but the consequences can be so dire if you slip up. By the time a bird shows signs of respiratory distress, it's probably too late.
I've seen only anecdotal evidence on the carpet deodorizers, including A & H, but I wouldn't use it around birds. My rule of thumb is, if it has a strong odor, even a pleasant one, don't use it. I don't use air fresheners or burn candles anywhere in the house. Candles are not all potentially toxic, but I take no chances with them. I don't use aerosols of any kind around the birds, either. Even Poop-off, which is supposed to be safe around birds, I use only after they are out of the cage and not returning to it for the day or the night.
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Post by Sharyn and Mr P on Aug 9, 2015 9:51:12 GMT -5
Folks, the teflon threat is VERY real. I wiped out about 6 budgies one afternoon that I had by using teflon (long time ago) I would never never never cook with teflon again, even being careful. I know that a lot of times "they" say something is harmful to a bird, and maybe it is if used in some sort of weird way, but all I was doing was just cooking. I didnt burn the pan, I didnt do anything out of the ordinary and just like that, 6 of my budiges were dead. It was AWFUL, it's been easily 25 years since this happened and I'm still not over it! I KILLED those birds, accidently, yes, but it was still my fault  |
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Post by easttex on Aug 9, 2015 10:22:30 GMT -5
I feel for you, Sharyn. I've lived for years wondering if my use of a pungent household cleaner too close to his cage killed my lovebird. It's devastating, and if I'm overly cautious now when it comes to my birds, I don't apologize for it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 11:25:15 GMT -5
I guess I'm going to have to start using my cast-iron skillet's only I prefer cast iron anyway. I use cooking oil spray to season my pans thats'not harmful is it? Sorry about the million questions I would just be rather safe then sorry. Quick note I'm assuming cast iron is okay to cook on?
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Post by Sharyn and Mr P on Aug 9, 2015 13:14:12 GMT -5
I use Pam cooking spray and have had no problems. I also use the nonstick, "green" ceramic cookware, they are advertised as free of 2 chemicals that being with p ...pboa...pfoa I can't remember off the top of my head. They werent cheap. Until I could afford to buy an entire set, I bought just a skillet (at walmart) and a 2 quart pot, and cooked everything on the stove in those for awhile. I would never take that chance again.. Cast iron is fine, it's the chemicals in teflon that are toxic.
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Post by msdani1981 on Aug 9, 2015 13:19:07 GMT -5
Cast iron is fine, and I wouldn't use the Pam in the aerosol can, but you can use EVOO or something (I use melted butter) to rub on the pan. |
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Post by msdani1981 on Aug 9, 2015 13:22:30 GMT -5
Also, the list of things that Teflon is in is surprising. Just FYI.
From avianavenue.com:
There are a lot of products on the market that may contain PTFE or PFOA, more commonly known as teflon. PTFE and PFOA are very dangerous to our birds. Non stick coatings and surfaces are made by many different companies and manufacturers, under many different brand names. You need to be alert when purchasing products that contain the words: non stick, PTFE, PFOA and polytetrafluoroethylene. Do not rely on just a manufacturer or brand name. Here is a list of products that may contain it. Please read labels and look for the words nonstick, PTFE, PFOA and Polytetraflouethylene.
Some Products That Use Polytetraflouethylene: (Please check this list often as more products will be added ~ New items will be added to top of list).
Popcorn popper air & oil types
Heat lamps
Portable heaters
Sole plates on irons
Ironing board covers
Burners on stove tops
Drip pans for burners
Broiler pans
Griddles
Many cooking utensils
Woks
Waffle makers
Electric skillets
Deep fryers, crock pots,
Hot air popcorn poppers
Coffee makers
Bread makers
Non-stick rolling pins
Lollipop molds
Corkscrews
Never-Stick-Stainless Steel
Stockpots
Roasters
Non-stick gingerbread molds
Pizza pans
Tortilla presses
Hair Straighteners
Microwave popcorn bags
...and many more! Please check out products thoroughly before using them around your birds. Safety is our number one concern.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 14:46:24 GMT -5
That is quite a long List to remember I'll say that much. I just ordered a few more cast iron skillet's and the Dutch oven I was hoping to find cast iron pots but haven't had any luck yet.
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Post by Jan and Shah on Aug 9, 2015 16:33:29 GMT -5
I bought stainless steel cooking pots earlier in the year. They cost a small fortune but I know the animals will be safe. I think the ceramic and cast iron cookware are pretty safe as well.
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Post by cnyguy on Aug 9, 2015 19:39:58 GMT -5
It isn't recommended to use the carpet refresher around birds. As you vacuum it up or walk through it, some of the powder becomes airborne, and may be breathed in by any nearby animals (including human ones). It could be harmful to a parrot's delicate respiratory system if any of the powder was breathed in. Cast iron cookware is bird-safe, and will last a lifetime. I have a cast-iron skillet that was a wedding gift to my grandmother, more than 100 years ago. If you have a Goodwill store, or any other thrift store near you, you might try looking for bird-safe cookware there to save some money. I often see quality kitchenware in good condition at reasonable prices in the thrift stores in my area. Along with cast iron and stainless steel, old-fashioned enamelware is another good choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 20:58:09 GMT -5
now i just have to find the right stuff stainless steel is a little high-priced I have some cast-iron skillets and a griddle now I just have to find some birds safe pots I will be good to go
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