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Post by simone on May 22, 2015 8:39:23 GMT -5
My 8 year old son wanted a pet bird so we decided to get one. We decided on a Quaker parrot. She was about 3-4 months old when we got her last July. Recently she has began attacking my son anytime she is out of the cage and he is around. Now he is afraid of her and runs from her. Last night she was out of the cage with my husband and I on the couch. My son walked into the room and she flew after him. He ran and we kept saying no and trying to stop it. He ran into a table and fell. She got him and started biting him on the head. She is tolerant of everyone else in the family but him. The bird was originally for my son and now they hate each other. My husband and I have gotten attached to the bird. I just don't know what to do. Advice please?
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Post by easttex on May 22, 2015 9:19:50 GMT -5
My honest opinion is that at eight years old, your son is probably not well equipped to meet the needs of a bird as complex as a Quaker. It takes a whole lot of patience and empathy to build a lasting bond with a parrot. My guess would be that at some point your son, perhaps quite innocently, did something to provoke a bite, did not respond appropriately, and things have cascaded from there. It's possible that the relationship can be repaired, but it will have to be done by your son himself. It won't happen if you son continues to approach the bird with fear and dislike. We are 100% responsible for our birds' environment, and their behavior is always a consequence of some input. I recommend you read the information at this link www.stfrancisanimalandbird.com/ResourcesLibrary/?page_id=214 carefully, and decide if you can explain it to your son in a way he can understand. I wish you luck!
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Post by simone on May 22, 2015 11:52:52 GMT -5
Thank you for your response. I do believe that the aggressive behavior started when my son hit my husband ( playing of course) while lily (our Quaker) was perched on my husband. Lily was never aggressive before that. My son and husband like to play fight, wrestle, things that boys do. I do feel that lily sees him as a threat even though he's never done anything directly to harm her. Now the problem is how to stop this pattern.
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Post by easttex on May 22, 2015 12:37:29 GMT -5
I'd suggest that your son and Lily start over from the beginning, if your son is up to it. Have him start by sitting near her cage, talking softly to her, several times a day. Have him be the bearer of the good treats, and, in fact, you and your husband limit your interactions with her for a while. Let your son become the good guy. He may have to act in a way he doesn't yet feel, and he'll have to keep it up for however long it takes for her to be willing to start trusting him again. After this, he can start trying to get her to step up, and more directly interacting with her, but he'll have to carefully watch her body language.
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Post by julianna on May 22, 2015 13:58:34 GMT -5
Body language is very important as easttex said. Your son's body language is important as well. For instance if a quaker bites and you normally react by pulling away, the quaker may see this as a game and continue doing it. Not many quakers learn the word "no". You will need to find another way to stop your quaker from doing unwanted things. With my bird I use a loud "aaaaaaa"... sorta like a growl. For some reason this gets his attention.
If all else fails... if you are the type of person who can... you can always trim the birds wings and get better control... at least for a little while.
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Post by msdani1981 on May 23, 2015 22:58:44 GMT -5
I actually would highly recommend clipping Lily's wings. They will grow back, and it will give your son time to start over without worrying too much about getting chased. Lily might learn the word "no", but not in the way you want! She might learn to bite and then yell "No!" It will take time for your son and Lily to learn to trust each other, and even if trust is established I would be hesitant to leave them alone together. I wish you the best of luck!
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Post by aaron on May 23, 2015 23:28:26 GMT -5
Our family includes my 9-year old step daughter, who our QP, Cupcake, will charge at every once in a while, and has been quite aggressive toward in the past... At this point, the two of them have little to no relationship, because my stepdaughter doesn't currently possess what is necessary to develop a relationship with a parrot.. One of the biggest problems is that she pulls away because she is afraid of being bitten, even when the bird is not going to bite her, which leads to Cupcake giving chase. There have been times where Cupcake was pretty aggressive, and while that is no longer the case, the damage is done, and my stepdaughter has a solid fear of getting bitten. And legitimately so.
Fact is, it can be really hard even for adults to maintain the kind of consistency, patience and control necessary for having a solid relationship with a parrot. I, being a somewhat hyperactive and at times quite anxious person, have actually struggled with this quite a bit. I do believe some kids are capable, but it takes a pretty calm kid, and one that is really understanding, and sadly, willing to be bitten sometimes. This is not my stepdaughter. She's made some progress but we are definitely not there yet, and I am not sure when we will be. For the time being, we do not encourage her to even attempt to handle Cupcake, because we know she will pull away even if Cupcake approaches her with a friendly demeanor, and that just encourages Cupcake's sense of dominance. Every once in a while they have a good moment. Things tend to progress in a good direction. But Cupcake definitely thinks she's boss, and in a lot of ways she is.
The others have given really good advice here... The way your son approaches the bird is extremely critical... He will only be able to turn things around if he is truly able to let go of any tension or animosity he feels toward the bird. These birds are highly sensitive to mood and demeanor, and it's pretty hard to fool them. The better he understands why the bird behaves the way she does, and that she's just following her instincts, and not being a mean bird, the more success you will have, I'd imagine.
My stepdaughter did not understand this at first. She just thought the bird didn't like her, and still feels that way to some degree, although she has much more clarity on why the bird is the way that she is. I think it upsets her, however, to be the only person in the household for whom the bird is not putty in their hands. But she is very cheerful toward Cupcake now, and Cupcake definitely doesn't find her acutely threatening any more. I just get the impression Cupcake feels dominant and likes to express that sometimes. To some degree, I'm guessing. It is a bit of a mystery exactly what Cupcake feels towards my stepdaughter.
At any rate, we have not tolerated aggression from Cupcake towards her. I'm not sure that Cupcake has always understood, but we have always immediately caged her when she has displayed concerted aggression towards or bitten my stepdaughter, and we talk to her sternly about it. In these cases, the bird is never in the cage for more than 3-5 minutes, because I believe any more than that and it becomes counterproductive. They get distracted easily. But I am pretty sure that with so much repetition Cupcake understands that we do not appreciate it. It doesn't mean she doesn't still occasionally bully my stepdaughter though. It's been a while since there was an actual bite, but she still charges and occasionally lashes out with her beak. We don't let Cupcake anywhere near her face, and we make her very aware that Cupcake cannot be trusted, even when she appears to be being sweet. It certainly does not seem that Cupcake has any desire to truly hurt her at this point, but you really never know.
A few things that have helped over the years-- if your bird is willing to be toweled, you can try playing "warm potato", where the bird is toweled and passed around between all family members. We also have my stepdaughter give Cupcake treats sometimes out of the blue. Finally, every night my wife reads to my stepdaughter before bed, and Cupcake is a big part of storytime. She loves to listen to my wife read, and the three of us having this ritual together has definitely helped with the tension between the two of them.
It's slow going, but I do think there's a good chance they will eventually get along. I could see it taking another five years though.
Sorry, my post is a bit all over the place... I hope it helped somewhat. Please feel free to ask specific questions, and definitely let us know how things progress.
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Post by simone on May 24, 2015 13:02:48 GMT -5
Thanks for all the continued ideas. As things progress, I realize that a bird was probably not the best choice of pets for an 8 year old. But now that she's a part of the family, we're working on utilizing all of these suggestions to smooth things out. My son has been listening as I discussed the posts with my husband and took the initiative to talk to Lily and give her treats this morning and yesterday. He still is uncomfortable with her being uncaged around him, but I'm confident that slow progress will get us there. We'll be having her wings clipped tomorrow as that seems like the best way to stop the domineering tactics. I'm nervous though that she'll be upset with us for taking away her newfound confidence in flying around. Anybody else have trouble with this? I think we're much better equipped to handle the situation now thanks to all of your posts.
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Post by easttex on May 24, 2015 13:24:11 GMT -5
I admire your resolve to work out the difficulties and not just automatically rehome your bird. That is many people's first response, but it is so unfair to the bird. They are intelligent and emotional little creatures, and once they've bonded, the separation can be hard on them. Your son sounds like a special kid. As for clipping, different birds take it differently. It makes them think they are more vulnerable to danger, though in many cases the opposite is true. Just make sure the clip is not severe. She needs to be able to glide. And keep in mind that a clip is no guarantee that she can't escape through an open door or window. I hope you will post updates on your progress.
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Post by simone on May 24, 2015 13:49:08 GMT -5
All the suggestions from friends, family, and coworkers involved giving away or selling Lily. I'm certainly glad this forum is here for some helpful alternatives. It hasn't even been a year since we bought her for my son, but now I'm more attached to her than I imagined. The short clip for gliding is a great idea. I hope our pet store will be able to accomplish that. I can only imagine the trouble we'd be having if we went with his initial request of an Amazon parrot!
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Post by aaron on May 24, 2015 14:25:00 GMT -5
I too admire your determination to make the situation work. These birds will definitely capture your heart. I cannot imagine our family without Cupcake... none of us can, not even my stepdaughter... We had some trouble with the one time we clipped Cupcake... I guess the vet clipped her too severely and she fell to the floor and cracked her beak open. We never clipped her again after that. You probably won't have this problem but like Easttex said, make sure it's not a severe clip. Yes, an Amazon would be much worse, if for no other reason than the fact that the beak is so much bigger. Please keep us posted as things progress!
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Post by simone on May 25, 2015 17:09:34 GMT -5
We made the trip to the pet store to get Lily's wings clipped and beak filed today. We got into the car and I put on some mellow music. I felt free bird was an appropriate choice of music. ? We looked at some other birds while we waited. Lily was not a fan. They told us to step back while they did it so she wouldn't hold a grudge. I have to admit that I was a little teary eyed during the process. But the lady who did it was very good with her. She said that Lily was one of the sweetest birds that she's done. She said that Lily was very calm and only nipped at her once but not even a true bite which surprised me because she truly bites my son... Hard! After she was done she gave Lily to us wrapped in a towel so that we could unwrap her and love on her for a while to make sure that she wasn't too traumatized. Lily seemed happy to be back with us and even happier on the way home. We got her home and let her loose to test out her wings. I was surprised that she can still fly. Not as far or as high, but definitely more than gliding. She flew from the living room to the kitchen with no problem. She was out for a while and my son was there. After all that excitement, she sure wasn't interested in anything he was doing. I was hoping that after getting her wings clipped that I could start bringing her outside. I guess it's not such a good idea since she can still fly.
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Post by aaron on May 25, 2015 17:18:40 GMT -5
Yeah, you definitely don't want to bring her outside even though her wings are clipped. If it is done properly they can get around pretty effectively but just can't make it distances, but a solid gust of wind is enough to propel them quite far away from you if they are outside. If you feel like she is still too mobile you could cut the feathers a bit more, but maybe see how things go before you take that step.
Worth noting that Lily was so effectively distracted by the whole experience that she basically forgot about her issues with your son... It really helps with these birds to go out of your way to give them novel experiences. I'm a big fan of keeping them guessing. They really like routine, and some routine is definitely important, but too much routine and they are liable to get really upset when things change. Cupcake's day to day existence is highly variable, and I really think it helps with her behavior a lot.
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Post by easttex on May 25, 2015 17:56:16 GMT -5
Simone, have you considered harness training Lily? It's about the only way I would recommend taking her outside without a cage. It can take some effort to train them, and the younger the better. I've never managed to train my CAG with it, but she has some phobia issues, and I haven't pushed it on her. Here's the one I have: theparrotuniversity.com/content/aviator-bird-harness
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Post by simone on May 27, 2015 12:06:37 GMT -5
We have thought about a flight harness. We have looked at the pet stores around here with no luck. Thanks for the link. I'll order one in the near future and start trying to train her. On a positive note, she still has no interest in being aggressive toward my son since the clipping.
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