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Post by easttex on Mar 11, 2015 5:28:37 GMT -5
Biteybird is right about the sunflower seeds. Captive parrots on seed-only diets are prone to all kinds of health problems. Sunflower seeds in particular pose problems for Quakers. The best diet is a pellet supplemented by vegetables and a little fruit. Once he is converted, you can use small amounts of seeds as treats. From your description of him, I have to wonder if Alfie was truly hand raised, at least as I understand the term. It sounds possible that he was parent raised. Or it could be just that his store experience was traumatic for him. It doesn't really matter which, as far as how you deal with him. It just means more patience is required on your part. It does sound like you are making good progress, and you can feel good knowing what a kind thing you did by taking him out of his previous situation.
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Post by aaron on Mar 11, 2015 8:37:19 GMT -5
Greetings again! It sounds like you are making some progress with Alfi. The opening and closing his beak fast is beak grinding, which is something they do when they are content, so that is a good sign.
As others have mentioned, the sunflower seeds are definitely something you want to change, although I can understand not wanting to push Alfi too much right now. You might at least see if you can get him to eat something like Higgins Safflower Gold, instead of sunflower seeds. Personally I have found that sunflower seeds are like drugs for our Quaker, and she gets obsessive about them as well as just starts acting crazy when she eats them. And of course from a nutritional standpoint they are quite inadequate and too fattening.
Cupcake, our QP, was from a pet store. By my estimation she spent nearly 6 months there. She is very well adjusted at this point with minimal behavioral issues to speak of, so it doesn't have to be a problem. But obviously some pet stores are more traumatic for the bird than others depending on the people that work there and the general practices of the store.
I would say you are correct, at 5:30am, Alfi is probably still sleeping. When I approach Cupcake's cage even at 7am she is generally still fairly motionless.
All in all I would say you are doing well! Keep us posted as things progress!
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Post by parlitz67 on Mar 11, 2015 8:41:00 GMT -5
Hello Biteybird!!!
Thank you for your comments, it is very motivate to find out that I am doing the correct steps. Related to the food I bought Pssitacus pellets and I will follow your advice. I will post our progress.
Thank you again
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Post by parlitz67 on Mar 11, 2015 9:00:07 GMT -5
Hello Easttex and Aarón!!,!,
Thank you for your comments, as I wrote they are very motivated and I will continue slow with Alfie. When I bought Alfie I didnt know how amazing is the birds world.
I have been reading alot about parrots in general and Quaker parrots in particular, and I found out that parrots are very different than dogs for instance, due to their intelligence and longevity. So, they most be treated different, like if they were a person.
Thank you again for your comments, I will follow your advices.
Santiago and Alfie.
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Post by julianna on Mar 11, 2015 11:11:27 GMT -5
Sounds like things are coming along nicely. It usually takes a long time before quakers allow hands in their cage without being frightened or even attack the hand. I agree with biteybird that you should try a lot of various foods for Alfie and he will let you know what he likes and does not like... but I certainly would try to get him off eating too many sunflower seeds. Be sure to read the safe food list on this site as well as the dangerous foods listed... it will help a lot.
Keep up the good work!
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Post by aaron on Mar 12, 2015 0:38:44 GMT -5
When I bought Alfie I didnt know how amazing is the birds world. I have been reading alot about parrots in general and Quaker parrots in particular, and I found out that parrots are very different than dogs for instance, due to their intelligence and longevity. So, they most be treated different, like if they were a person. It is really remarkable, no? I had never had a bond with a bird the way I do with our QP... and our whole family is continually blown away by the depth of the bird personality. Pretty incredible stuff.
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Post by parlitz67 on Mar 12, 2015 18:25:46 GMT -5
Hello Aarón. Thank you for your comments. Alfi stills very afraid, so I have to be patient until he alloys me to take him out of the cage and interact more.
I want to take the change to ask for some directivos. It been six or seven week sinse Alfie arrive home. So, it is my impression that the time for a nails cut has come, the larger ones are al most 6 milimeters.
Do I need to cut the nails now? If so, what is the best way to do it avoiding traumatize Alfie?
Thank you,
Santiago
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Post by biteybird on Mar 13, 2015 2:01:21 GMT -5
I have never trimmed Bonnie's nails. I just put some calcium perches in her cage in the hope that they will keep her toenails short enough. Her nails are only 3 or 4 millimetres long at most.
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Post by easttex on Mar 13, 2015 6:15:42 GMT -5
Santiago, I would not try to do the trim myself, at this point. Parrots can be trained to accept trimming pretty well, but if they're not, they can find it very objectionable. If you accidentally trim too much and it hurts Alfie, you will set back the relationship you're trying hard to build right now. Just the restraining you would have to do could upset him greatly.
Many of us rely on special perches to do the job, but they aren't perfect and they're better for maintaining the nails than they are for trimming over-long ones. If you are going to try to keep them shorter, it is better to trim frequently than to take off a lot at one time. I would look for a professional groomer to do it, at least for a while. You can learn how it's done, and somebody else can be the bad guy. If you can't find a groomer, an avian vet will do it. Eventually you can train Alfie to allow it without restraining him, and you will avoid any trauma.
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Post by aaron on Mar 13, 2015 9:35:40 GMT -5
I agree with Easttex, I would not try to do that nail trim yourself at this point. We only get Cupcake's nails trimmed once a year at her annual vet checkup. Aside from that we use perches and sometimes she appears to be trimming them herself although I am not sure how effective she actually is at it. I have cut her nails before, and she handled it well enough, but we did once have some bleeding and have not done it since. At any rate, if Alfi is still quite afraid of you, the last thing you want to do is put him through that kind of invasive handling unless you absolutely have to. Have a groomer do it so they can be the bad guy if he needs his nails trimmed.
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Post by puck on Mar 15, 2015 0:12:09 GMT -5
Sammy just got his nails trimmed at a bird store in Dallas. They do $12 trims and it is over in about one minute. Definitely less traumatizing for the bird than someone who has never done it before and isn't used to handling birds trying to do it! Sammy was less than pleased at being toweled but it was over in an instant then he got to come back to my shoulder and get a treat and he was fine on the way home. It wouldn't even be worth the effort for me to learn to trim his nails when I could get someone else to be the bad guy and do a safer job than I ever could.
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Post by julianna on Mar 15, 2015 14:35:31 GMT -5
I have read that when the bird sits on their perch and their nails go all the way around and touches the back of the birds foot... then they are too long. (this is on a medium width perch) I used to think Oscars were too long but really they are not. Also.. he has started to trim his own nails so I am not worried about them anymore.
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Post by parlitz67 on Mar 20, 2015 6:50:51 GMT -5
Thank you everybody for your answers. After read them I decided leave Alfies's nails as they are. Also I apologize for answer until now, but I had alot of work.
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Post by parlitz67 on Mar 20, 2015 7:00:48 GMT -5
Hello again.
I am worry because Alfie is a puzzle. I have been very careful to him, I have never tried to hold him because he is very afraid. However, as I already mentioned, he sometimes close to me specially when I am seatead when dinner.
Every internet page that I have read about taming a parrot, have advices based on give treats and gave for granted that the parrot allows to approach your hands.
Alfie doesnt behavies like that. In fact, The treats thing doesnt work with him. Yesterday I made an experimet. I put its food in the usual container and put some sunflower seeds, that he likes very much, in the cage ground. My expectations were that when I return from work the seed were tone, however Alfie didn't touch one single seed.
So the treats strategy seems that wont work with Alfie.
Any advice or comment?
Thank you again.
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Post by easttex on Mar 20, 2015 7:25:16 GMT -5
It's not unusual for a captive bird to not want to eat off the ground. In the wild, the parents would have taught him about foraging there, but he probably didn't get that lesson from the breeder. I would start trying to de-sensitize him to your hand. The idea is to hold a treat and bring it closer until you see that he starts to get uncomfortable, back up just a little, and then stop and hold for a few minutes. Then back off. Do that multiple times, until you can move closer. I would do this at least several times a day.
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