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Posted 01 March 2014 - 07:18 PM

After being super sweet this afternoon and whistling and talking and sitting pretty on my hand, Clyde was on my shoulder just before I left for band practice at church and CHOMP, he grabbed me by the throat and tried to rip it off my body. I had to PRY him off. He left a welt and nasty bruise behind. It looks like I was attacked by a vampire bat.

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 07:38 PM
I'm so sorry, Siobhan. That sounds like an especially viscous CHOMP! Clyde, I don't know what to say to you. Bad boy.....bad bad boy!

And the little booger set you up for it by playing nice just like Harry does.

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 08:03 PM

Now he's back there calling for me. I'd like to go play with birds, but if he's still in that mood, I do not want to be attacked.

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 08:54 PM

I'm really beginning to think I'll have to rehome him. He chomped me two more times in less than 15 minutes and I had to fight him to get him into his cage for the night. It's not fair to the other birds if I can't even go in the room and I can't play with them at all because I'm fending off attacks. If he gave me any warming, I could put him in his cage and shut the door. But he goes from fine to attack mode in the blink of an eye. The other alternative is to make him stay in his cage all the time and I don't believe in that. He used to do this about once a year when hormones kicked in, and he'd be impossible for a week or two and get over it. Now it's happening over and over, closer and closer together.

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 08:16 AM
I'm sorry you're going through this. I know you love Clyde and don't want him to have to go to another home.

I know this is a hot topic, and I don't like to mention it, but maybe in Clyde's case as a last resort, you should consider a temporary wing clip. That way he wouldn't have to stay in his cage, but he couldn't launch arial attacks while you are visiting the other birds. I don't think Clyde would be very happy if he had to leave you, and his feathers would grow back. Is he aggressive to the other birds or only to you?

Just a suggestion, clipping is a personal choice. I'm sort of familiar with aggression. I can take Harry's attacks, but I won't let her bully the other birds and she's made tremendous progress in her training without a clip. I'm also afraid if I clipped her wings, Harry would resort to plucking again.

I hope you can work this out so Clyde can stay with his very patient Mom and his flock.

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 02:01 PM

It would take me and Hubby both to hold him down to clip his wings, and I don't really know how. I'd have to take him to the vet to get it done and watch so I could do it myself later. Today he's spending the day in his cage in the hopes that if it's hormones making him crazy, time away from me will cool him off. He squawked and squawked this morning when I let the others out and not him, but he's only flock calling every now and then now. I had to play at church and then we went out to eat with my father in law, and I haven't been down there since this morning.

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 04:19 PM

Somebody chomped Benjy in the face and really did some damage to his nares. I suspect Clyde, because Benjy was sitting on the perch on the front of Clyde's cage when I left for church, his face almost against the bars, chattering and probably wondering why Clyde was still locked up. His poor little face is bloodied and he went into his cage on his own and is sitting on his shelf opening and closing his beak. He did fly to me when I came into the room and he sat on my hand. His beak is okay and I don't think his nares are damaged so he can't breathe through them, but it must hurt abominably. Benjy does not like being in his cage and usually raises the roof if he's in there with the door shut, but he's not doing that. He wanted to be in there and be quiet and let alone. Freddie and Johnny were in there playing with his toys and I made them get out and shut his door so he'd have peace and quiet. Of course it's Sunday and between paydays so even if I could get him to a vet, I haven't any money. And yes, Clyde is still locked up and he is going to remain locked up today. Maybe tomorrow, too.

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 07:11 PM

Poor Benjy. Hope his little face heals soon. As to Clyde, I live with this every day. I am certain it is not hormones - the older he gets, the more aggressive he becomes. I leave him in his cage until he settles down but I always get a beak bashing if I have spoken to the other birds before him. The chomps are always unexpected and, most of the time, he draws blood. All I can recommend is camomile tea and maybe a bit of massaging if he will allow it. I can honestly understand your frustration at this behaviour. I dont know what else to advise you to do to make it better. Shah has never bitten me in the neck - that is really dreadful. He is not in the room when the cockatiels are out - I have no doubt he would kill them if he could get to them. BTW, he does have clipped wings.

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 08:15 PM

Benjy's a tough budgie. He's had his toes bitten and his tail pulled out and he always bounces back, but this time, I don't know. His breathing is a little labored and he's quiet, and Benjy is NEVER quiet. I put them to bed early because I have to get up early and that will wake them up, and I thought they could all use a little extra sleep.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 06:56 AM

Benjy was drinking water when I uncovered his cage, but he's a little wobbly, so I left him in his cage. I think another day of quiet will be good for him. I'll let him out this evening when I'm in the room to supervise. And I let Clyde out this morning, though he's still agitated, but I'll be at work until late and I didn't have the heart to leave him locked up all day again.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 07:56 AM
I'm so sorry to hear about little Benjy. I hope he feels much better today.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 10:03 AM

When he's willing to stay in his cage and doesn't even complain about it, you know he doesn't feel well. I thought by tonight he might be willing to let me clean him up and get a better look at the damage. It's possible, but not likely, that he hurt himself flying into something, but I don't believe that. He's a very good little pilot and can even hover.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 01:38 PM

Yep, I dont believe it either - it was a sneak attack by Clyde. How's Benjy doing today?

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 01:48 PM

I'm at work now, but when I left this morning, he was kind of wobbly but getting around all right. I left him in his cage so the others couldn't annoy him. The tiel boys are very prone to invading everyone's cage and helping themselves to toys and food and I figured Benjy needs to rest, so I left his door shut. He has food and water and a flat shelf to sit on as well as perches.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:32 PM

I hope Benjy is feeling better today, and I dearly wish Clyde could learn how to play nicely. I hate to think of him having to be rehomed, or getting his wings clipped.

I wish he could talk, really TALK, to you about what he needs.....it's so frustrating to have intelligent creatures that are trying so hard to communicate with us, and we keep *missing* what they're telling us.

Poor little Benjy.....maybe a little aloe water to bath in or drink? I don't know, I just don't want him to hurt....sad.png

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 07:16 PM

Hope that Benjy is doing better now.

I wish I had some new suggestions to offer that might help curb Clyde's bad behavior-- but there's nothing I can think of beyond the standard recommendations, which you already are familiar with. I know you don't want to rehome him.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 09:46 PM

I think he's hormonal, even though it's not spring yet and he's an indoor bird. He was a little better today but he's still on the ragged edge and it doesn't take much to send him on over. Benjy's much better. His face looks better and he was chirping and complaining about being in his cage, but not as much as he would normally. I may let him out tomorrow if he's as much better in the morning as he was tonight.

Ringo lost a bunch of feathers on her tummy and actually has bare spots. My rehab friends assured me it was just a really ugly molt, but it's been like this for weeks and weeks. The starling folk told me I wasn't feeding her right. Turns out the rehabbers were right. She's finally getting new feathers and they're coming in at an amazing rate. Just last night there was no sign of new growth. Tonight when I got home from work, she has new sprouts all over the place. At this rate, she's going to have a whole new outfit in a few days. And she's been acting like a crazy thing, the way she did when she was a baby. Her beak is beginning to get yellow streaks on it so I'm going to have TWO hormonal birds soon. Yellow beak on a starling is the visible sign that they're in breeding season. She didn't do it last year, but captive starlings don't always do it their first year. She'll be 2 in May. At least if she does get yellow beak this year, I'll know for sure whether she's a girl. She has all the other signs, but you can't be positive until they have a yellow beak and you can see if the part next to her face is pink or blue.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 11:08 AM

Joey has been nasty the past few days, I believe its hormonal for him.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 02:09 PM

I would like to think that it is hormonal with Shah but I suspect he is just nasty. I love him anyway - little devil.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 03:28 PM

I think Quaker Parrots may all have personality disorders.....they think the world revolves around them, and they get angry when the world doesn't do as they command.

That, or they're actually two year old children with a BUNCH of feathers on them. Who have the hormones of a 14 year old.

I dunno. We all seem to have ourselves a bunch of bipolar birds....unsure.png

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 06:15 PM

Oh LindeeV, you have described life with a quaker so well.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:28 PM
Lindee, Thanks for that very apt description! Bipolar birds, that explains so much.
I've been blaming Harry's mood swings on hormones. Now I know the truth. Either way, she's a little brat.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 09:36 PM

Clyde is returning to normal, for him, but he's not quite there yet. Benjy's little face looks much better today and he's chirping and singing and mostly back to normal for him. Not quite as energetic, but he will be by tomorrow, I think. Bipolar is a perfect description for these little monsters!

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 09:39 PM
Awww! I'm so glad Benjy is feeling better. I was worried for the little guy. Thanks for the happy update.

Yes! Little Green Monsters!

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:48 AM

I've never met any critter as tough as Benjy. He turned 5 in September which is getting middle aged for a parakeet, but you'd never know it. He's got tons of energy and spirit. He's had toes chomped and tail pulled out and now this and nothing keeps him down for long. I even considered giving him to a friend who has other parakeets to keep him safe since he's too stubborn or dumb to keep away from the Quakers and I didn't want to keep him locked up all the time, but I couldn't do it. I moved him into Ringo's room and that didn't work and she was so stressed she plucked, and Benjy was unhappy being away from his hero Clyde. I will say that as much as I adore him, when he goes to Rainbow Bridge, he'll be my last budgie as long as I have Quakers. It just isn't a good idea to have them together when the Quakers in question are the bullies that Clyde and Jade can be.

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My last budgie lived to the ripe old age of 13

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 01:27 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if Benjy lasts that long or longer. As I said, he's a tough little bird. I had a budgie when I was a kid, who I got when I was around 10 or 11, who lived until I was out of high school. She'd have lived longer but she got sick, and in those days, vets wouldn't see a parakeet, so all we could do was keep her comfortable and watch her fade away. I don't even know what was wrong with her.

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The budgie before the 13 yr old also lived a long time. I got him when I was 9 or 10 and he lived until I was about 22 or 23. I remember losing touch with a childhood friend, then seeing her again at our mutual friend's wedding. I mentioned something about Salty (budgie's name) and the friend I had lost touch with couldn't believe it was the same bird. I am pretty sure both of mine just died of old age.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:56 PM

Clyde was almost completely normal tonight. We had a game of Simon Says (he whistles and I have to copy it exactly; if I don't, he whistles something less complicated so the dumb human can keep up) and though he insisted on sitting on my shoulder pressed against my face, which made me nervous in case he chomped, he didn't. He was a good boy and he went to bed without complaint. The tiels were on the hanging lamp and I thought I was going to have trouble with them, but they also went to bed obediently, and Greta came out of her hidey hole and went to bed obediently and even Ringo went to bed obediently. I'm nervous now. We've never had a day when EVERYBODY behaved at the same time! And Rex likes his new spaceship hidey so much that he only came out of it long enough to eat today and went right back in.
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I am having the same problem with my quaker Holly. She is sweet as pie one sec and then the next minute she is lunging after me and screaming and biting me. she tries to get me in the face but i turn my head so she end up yanking my hair out and biting my head. she has left numerous marks lately. I dont know what to do. I love her to death but I cant stand it when she bites me. It really hurts my feelings. I try to put her in her cage and shut the door for a time out but usually have to get a towel around her to get her in there. any suggestions. this is something she just started doing the last few months i guess since christmas time til now.

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 10:34 AM

LindeeV, on 04 Mar 2014 - 3:28 PM, said:

I think Quaker Parrots may all have personality disorders

I think that sums it up. Period. I can offer no other explanation to the weirdness that Mr P exhibits. One day he snuggles into my hand for cuddles, the next day he won't let me pet him. One day he wants to hang out with me (on me) all day long and hollers if I leave him on his playstand (fortunately he hollers in English), the next day he won't step up and spend any time with me at all. He has had the same green ball (the one in our pic) for all the months I've had him but a few days ago he became so fixated on it I had to actually removed it from his reach and hide it in the other room as he wouldnt step away from it long enough to even eat.

Saturday I cleaned his cage. I rotate toys and perches and stuff every week to keep the cage aggression down (this actually works). I took out the swing I had in there and put a different one in. When I got up Sunday morning, he wouldnt come out of his cage, all he would do is sit on his swing so the little plastic toy attached to the swing could sit on top of his head. I couldnt even get my hand into his cage to change his food. I had to open the door of the cage, walk away and pretend I wasnt looking so he could "sneak" out, then run back and close the door so he couldnt get back in, then remove that swing. This is the same swing that was in his cage 2 months ago that he crawled around the other way to avoid.

I'm sorry, this is not normal behavior. I tried to rationalize by saying that Mr P had a broken childhood and his previous owners had a lot to do with his bi-polar personality. I am coming to the conclusion that I am wrong. I think quakers in general are like this.

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 04:18 PM

Alkatraz, you could try giving Holly some camomile tea to settle her down. Sharyn, I love hearing about Mr P - he has so much personality. I have had Shah since he was 5 months old - came from a breeder so his bad behaviour has no excuse. My hands have bits missing where he has bitten me recently. I just try and talk quietly to him, pet him when he wants to be petted and leave him to his own devices. If he screams out for me, it is usually because he wants to tell me off for something the cockatiels did - they really dont take any notice of him which makes him angrier. I just feel that Shah is in a constant bad mood - he takes a day off every so often to be sweet and loving and then, just when I think that his bad behaviour is over, he attacks me. Just be vigilent and watch the body language. I came to the realisation last week that I just have to deal with it as best as I can. He is still my baby boy (even though he is 9 years old).

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 06:39 PM

You are right, Jan. I made a commitment to give Mr P a forever home. I went into this with eyes wide open, I know that rescues can be neurotic. Mr P does not exhibit normal rescue neurotic behavior, his is quaker neurotic behavior. So, it probably doesnt even matter that he was a rescue.

I have to wonder what is going to happen in the future. There was a huge hoarding case a few weeks ago, over 50 birds were rescued from conditions that you wouldnt want your worst enemy in. They were all taken in by the Fl Parrot Rescue (same place I got Mr P from). They are in DESPERATE need of foster homes for some of these birds. This was so big it was on the news. My heart just broke, you couldnt even imagine how bad their living conditions were. I emailed the rescue and told them that if they had budgies or something small that needed fostering, I'd be willing to take a pair or just one. I got an email back today saying that they could REALLY use the extra fosters.

So, it looks like I will be getting some sort of smaller bird or pair to foster. I don't know what in the world possessed me to do this except I felt SO BADLY for these poor animals. Fostering a pair of unhandled/untame budgies probably means I just agreed to keep them permanently as I doubt they are ever going to be re-homed. They will be kept in a separate room for a month after I get them. After that, they will all have to go in the same room, I guess.

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 07:14 PM

You are a good person Sharyn. Bless you for opening your home to some little creatures in need. They will be very lucky birds indeed smile.png

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Thank you, Jan!

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 06:57 AM
Siobhan, I just saw Rex's spaceship for the first time, it's too cute, I bet he loves it!

Sharyn, it's wonderful of you to volunteer as a foster. So sad what people do to birds and hoarding cases are especially horrific. I understand why you made the call. Can't wait to hear about Mr. P,s new friends.

Alkatraz, I'm sorry Holly has been so nippy. It sounds like she's making a habit of it. When she bites or attacks, very calmly and immediately return her to her cage, every single time, when she's in or on her cage, turn your back and walk away from her. When she's calm again interact with her to let her know calm behavior is rewarded, by interracf I mean talk or sing to her and tell her she's a good girl. When she bites, it's difficult, but try not to flinch or yell or jump, quakers love drama and she will see your reaction as a reward. Also watch her body language closely, you'll learn when she's in a friendly or unfriendly mood. I can almost always read my quaker's body language and know when it's a hands off day.

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FIDS: Taz (Cockatiel); Chewy (Quaker); Lily (Budgie); Beans (Parrotlet); Nimbus (Dog); Diablo (Cat); Mr. Newt; Fish
Rehomed: Mickey the pigeon, Gypsy the horse, and 4 of the Jackson 5 (Diamond Doves)
RIP: Arnie, Conan, Sammy, Petey, Ms. Praying Mantis, Tito, Pico, Mantis Shrimp, Fuzzy Lionfish, Phoenix, Cami, Pork Chop, Bilbo and Sweet Pea