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Post by aliceinlove on Sept 19, 2017 14:07:08 GMT -5
So a few months ago we were in a local pet shop and saw Quaker parrots. They were so cute and smart and my family fell in love with them. The pet shop told us how wonderful they were. We found a local breeder and talked to them. They had a male baby ready to go and he was so sweet and precious. The breeder told us that he would come home and bond closely with us and the kids. The breeder and children of his own so I was sure they would do great with kids. I had dreams of training him to talk and do tricks.I thought of how much my kids would enjoy him. I was so happy. Then I found this forum.
I registered so that I could post all the pictures of him with the family, being cute and silly. But all I read on here were stories of Quakers being evil and biting chunks of peoples lips off, attacking children and just being terrors! After finding the forum I immediately told my children to stay away from his cage and keep him off their shoulders. My husband is very unhappy about this as he loved toting him around like that. Today I am horrified. I feel like I just made the biggest mistake ever! Are everyone's Quakers this mean? Why on earth did the breeder and pet shop lead us to believe Quakers were so children and family friendly?
And to top it all off, my grandmother loved him so much she went to the same breeder and purchased his brother. And She has the grand kids over at her house all the time! Loud, running screaming grand kids! Grandma posted pics of her quaker sitting on her head this morning with her cockatiel. (we both already had cockatiels) I read that they are very mean to other birds too! I did tell the breeder I had a cockatiel and he said the Quaker would love that. :{
As you can see i'm very worked up! I love that little guy! My kids and husband and even granny loves hers.......So PLEASE! Someone tell me that Quakers are the sweet family pets we were led to believe. All I can imagine now are my kids crying with bloody bite marks and the poor quaker living its life in a cage, or us with fire suits on and thick gloves trying to handle him.
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Post by easttex on Sept 19, 2017 14:46:29 GMT -5
Because breeders and pet shops want to make money. Parrots of any kind are generally not good pets for small children, in my opinion, though there are always exceptions.
Parrots are not mean, but any one of them will bite if provoked, and the key is understanding what provokes them. They're usually very good about signaling displeasure and warning you to stop what you are doing, but you have to learn to read them, and that is something young children are not equipped to do.
When they're young, parrots tend to be very open to everything around them, but most will eventually develop preferences, and won't respond well to any sort of coercion. They can be a little cantankerous during breeding season once sexually mature. You have to try to understand their behavior, and adapt yourself accordingly.
Since everyone is in place and you're all bonding to each other, I recommend you do some serious reading on parrots, and Quakers in particular. Many people with small children are able to happily integrate their Quakers into their families with no problems, but remember that anyone who handles any parrot must be prepared to be bitten without reacting violently.
Good luck to all of you. Don't panic - they really are great little birds. We'll help any way we can.🙂
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Post by cnyguy on Sept 19, 2017 20:33:47 GMT -5
Very few parrots of any kind will be 100% sweet all day every day, nor will they be completely evil and nasty full time. Each parrot has a unique personality and some are definitely gentler than others, and some are more aggressive. My QP Ralph is fairly even-tempered and relatively quiet, but that doesn't mean that he never bites or never makes noise. It sounds like you and your family-- and grandmother-- are really off to a good start with your QPs and have begun building bonds. Easttex made a good suggestion-- read more about QPs, and work on getting to know and understand your Quaker better. There are some good books available about QPs, like Mattie Sue Athan's Guide to the Quaker Parrot, Pamela Leis Higdon's The Quaker Parrot-- an Owner's Guide to a Happy, Healthy Pet, and this one available through the companion site quakerparrots.com, where there are also some informative articles you can read. If you read further here on the Forum, you'll find that there are happier stories about QPs. Since so many Quaker parronts come here looking for advice, there are naturally lots of posts about problems with biting, screaming and other issues-- but many of us have also posted good things about life with our QPs. You're always welcome to ask for help and advice here on the Forum too. All the best to you and your-- and grandmother's-- QPs.
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Post by aaron on Sept 19, 2017 23:12:10 GMT -5
I just wanted to share our story. We have a child in the house... She is 11 now, but was barely 6 when we got Cupcake... We have generally kept them at a distance, but as she has gotten older, they have grown closer and have more contact with one another. Cupcake is an unbelievably sweet bird, who loves all of us. She is very affectionate, has a different relationship with each of us, and loves it when we all hang out together. She is definitely not mean-spirited, at all. It's taken time and energy and flexibility, but it can be done, and we can honestly say she has been a wonderful thing for us. She's totally captured our hearts, and been a beacon of goodness in our lives. It has not always been easy, and will continue to have its challenges. We've all been bitten many times... that's part of owning a Parrot... But very worth it. And she's never mauled any of us. Her bites are mostly a form of communication, and breaking the skin is uncommon (but it does happen).
When it seems like a bird is being mean, it's important to remember that they are birds stuck in a human world, for which their highly tuned instincts and evolved skills are of little use. They are very smart, so it takes a lot for their lives to be fulfilling in this context. For long term success, these birds need to be respected members of the household. They need to feel loved, and included, and important... they need lots of attention. They get jealous, and they try to make nests and execute various other birdly behaviors... They are birds, and they behave like wild animals, because that's what they are. They can be amazing companions, but they are not pets. Far too many people see them as little more than an opportunity to make money, and as a result there are thousands of abandoned parrots that need homes. People rarely know what they are getting themselves into. The successful cases are ones where the caretaker of the bird is willing and able to adapt their lifestyle to the needs of the bird, on an ongoing basis.
We've learned that when it comes to modifying and influencing parrot behaviors, you need a plan, patience, and consistency... and it really helps to have the whole family on board. For best results, everyone should be ready to cooperate and adapt. It often takes longer to see changes than it feels like it should, but you generally do get there eventually, if you are consistent and taking a good approach. You'll also need a very solid understanding of the bird's hormonal behaviors and how to minimize them, so you don't accidentally cause problems by sending the wrong messages, once sexual maturity comes. Behavior definitely gets more complicated at this point, but it is fairly manageable in most cases. Good to learn as much as you can, as early as you can.
But I really can't stress it enough-- All of this complexity and restricted flexibility in our lives is completely worth it to us, and we'd never have it any other way. We love this bird so much. It was not a well-informed decision we made when we got her, either. It was a little more than an impulse purchase, but not much. Nonetheless, it was meant to be. She's a wonderful and charming little creature that loves her flock and we're very grateful for her being in our lives.
Good luck! Stay calm. Keep us posted, and ask any questions you might have!
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Post by biteybird on Sept 20, 2017 4:44:12 GMT -5
Welcome from Australia, Aliceinlove! All is not lost. Quakers' temperaments can vary greatly bird to bird. We, too, didn't know enough about these wondrous creatures prior to getting Bonnie from a breeder about 3.5 years ago...but, having said that, we really wouldn't be without her. Yes, she can nip and bite. But she really enriches our lives with her endearing behaviours too (e.g., running up to our feet and shrieking "Hello!" in a squeaky voice, sitting on my husband's chest gazing into his eyes, not to mention stealing food that I'm preparing for dinner!). There are so many positives about these little birds. Like Aaron said, if you truly want to succeed with your new 'pet' (AKA 'master' you just need to have a plan. For the immediate few days/weeks, I would suggest just establishing a routine and keeping it the same each day as much as possible. For example, you could try to have each member of your family interacting with the bird for 5 minutes per day, consistently. You could have timetabled in cage and out of cage time (make sure the out of cage time is ALWAYS supervised and maybe keep these sessions shortish, like less than 30 minutes). Cnyguy is correct in saying that the forum tends to attract people who need help with their quakers. As he said, if you read through some more forum threads, you'll see that it's not all bad! Let us know how you go! Meanwhile you could read the numerous threads on behaviour. Oh, also check the safe/unsafe food lists...mainly NO avocado (can kill them) and no chocolate. Baby steps!
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Post by aliceinlove on Sept 20, 2017 12:16:24 GMT -5
Thank you all for your replies. I was pretty upset that day! Lol Our baby Milo is quite the little stinker. He's already decided he goes where he wants in the house and takes things apart. I'm on my second watch since he's got here. Man do we love him.
The only issue we have really had is jealousy. He hates when we talk to our cockatiel and will come over and push the cockatiel off what ever he's standing on because he knows he can't fly. So no play time.
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Post by siobhan on Sept 22, 2017 10:12:38 GMT -5
Honestly, some of what we post about our little stinkers is just letting off steam. They're not nearly as bad as we pretend they are, and we figure we all know that, so when we refer to them as monsters or whatever, we figure everyone else knows it's just for fun. Yes, parrots bite sometimes. Maybe they're not the best companion for a child. BUT ... I grew up with all sorts of critters. We had cats (who sometimes slapped or scratched), dogs (who sometimes got too exuberant and knocked me down), chickens (who pecked me if they were annoyed), hamsters (who chomped me when I picked them up), budgies (who chomped me) and look! I survived, thrived and have a house full of critters as an adult. How old are your kids? If they're at least 5 or 6, you can teach them to watch for body language cues that Milo has had enough, explain what he likes and what he might chomp them for doing, teach them how to handle him and when to let him alone, and it will be fine.
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Post by julianna on Sept 29, 2017 12:49:01 GMT -5
Oh yes Quakers love to take things apart and have no idea how to put them back together... lol. As you may have read many of us have had to replace our keyboards as they are quick to pull the keys out or chew the wires. Be sure to give yours some things that he can take apart.. such as a Kleenex... or the roll from the empty toilet paper... or shoes laces tied in knots. Most of us have found the home made toys are more of what they enjoy than store bought ones. I have a huge box full of store bought toys and Oscar will not play with any of them.
But give him a little plastic ball and he will throw it... and I fetch... and he throws it... and I fetch... lol... ok I am a slave and proud to admit it.
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Post by aliceinlove on Oct 11, 2017 13:35:55 GMT -5
Just an update. Milo is doing great. He is a sweet little thing. I am happy to say I have been bitten a few times and survived! Lol He is the smartest little thing. He Already says give me a kiss, good boy and makes the kissing noise.
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Post by easttex on Oct 12, 2017 8:25:07 GMT -5
I'm glad to read you're getting on so well! If you ever come to think Milo's bites are too painful, I advise you to visit a friend with a cockatoo, African grey, or macaw, and invite a nip. That's the smash-your-elbow-with-a-hammer-so-you-forget-the-pain-in-your-head theory of relativity.
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Post by siobhan on Oct 16, 2017 10:21:39 GMT -5
LOL. Exactly. Also visit those friends if you think yours is too noisy. Last night I was kissing Rocky's beak, and he leaned forward the way Clyde does when he wants to kiss me back. Clyde will lay the top of his beak against my face and make a kissy sound. Rocky grabbed my lip with his beak. YIKES. I jerked back before he had time to bite down and he looked offended. NOOOOO way am I going to let a cockatoo nibble on my lips, thank you very much. We apparently have to work on kissing etiquette.
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