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Post by pidgesmum on Feb 17, 2017 18:58:15 GMT -5
I am wondering if I have made a mistake getting Pidge. He's a lovely little fellow but the continual chewing has caused a fair bit of damage and the crying when I am not in the room can be distressing.
I had visions of training him but he doesn't sit still long enough. I am sure he is talking but I can't understand anything.
He is 5 months old. Will he settle down or does it get worse. (I've got no question mark on computer because he wrecked it)
I bought a book about quakers which made it sound like he will be very difficult.
Feeling low
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Post by zim on Feb 17, 2017 20:25:06 GMT -5
I'll start by saying that I'm far from an expert - I'm just speaking from my experience raising Yoshi from a 3 month old Quaker to his current age of about 1.5 years.
For training, what kind of environment are you attempting to train in? My advice is to get a training stand (which is basically just a free standing perch that will have him at least at chest height to you). Take that to an area of the house where he cannot see his cage. This should calm him down enough, and make him pay more attention to you, as it's slightly out of his comfort zone. Start off training with very small things. The first trick I taught Yoshi was to shake my hand (or, finger). I accomplished this by saying the phrase "shake my hand" then taking my finger and forcing his foot up off the perch onto the tip of my finger. He caught on to this very quickly, and within a week I could say "shake my hand" and he would lift his foot up, ready to grab onto my finger while I slowly shook my finger up and down. We only trained on this for maybe 10-15 minutes at a time, maybe once or twice a day.
I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "settle down", but I will be completely honest - when he starts going through puberty you will likely have a harder time with him. That's the point when he could start becoming cage aggressive, or protective towards certain things. I consider myself very lucky with Yoshi, he isn't cage aggressive at all. I'd like to think I played a part in that by spending time rotating toys and perches in his cage, but I can't say for sure. The main changes I've seen in Yoshi since he started puberty is that he won't let me touch or hold him in some of the same ways he would before. Before he started puberty, I could say "let me see your wing", and he would let me lift his wings up to inspect them without hesitation. Now if I try, I get bit immediately. I used to be able to say "lay on your back" and flip him over in the palm of my hand, and he would lay there without issue. I can't even attempt this now without getting bit. These are actually some of the only times he will bite, however.
As far as talking, most things Yoshi says aren't things I "trained" him to say. He picks up on things that are said a lot on his own. When he first started trying to talk (which was around 5-6 months of age, I believe) it wasn't clear at all. I realized that he would practice talking when he was by himself and (at least believed) that I wasn't around. By what I've read from other Quaker owners, this is a common thing. Now, since I work night shift and sleep during the day, I can wake up in the middle of the day and hear Yoshi in his cage chattering away. It's not uncommon for him to be saying something I've never heard him say before. And most of those things I still haven't heard him say in my presence. It's as if he thinks he has to perfect them before he will say them in my presence. So my advice there is to just give Pidge some time, and he will likely practice and start talking more clearly. Also, if you do try to train him to say phrases, make sure you say them as clear as you can.
For crying when you're not in the room, is he screaming, or is it just contact calling? Contact calls are short, loud squawks. He's doing this because he considers you his mate and wants to be in contact with you at all times. When you aren't in his line of sight, he is worried about you. He expects you to respond to his contact calls. You're best bet is to pick a sound (maybe a whistle) or a word or phrase to yell back at him when he contact calls you, and try not to use that same sound / word / phrase anytime outside of that scenario. For Yoshi, it's "pretty boy!". After he's contact called me a few times, and I've called back, he will say "pretty pretty pretty!", and then usually stop. At least for a minute.
Parrots are a handful, and can be challenging. They definitely aren't for everyone, and they rarely are that perfect picture you have in your mind after watching the cute video on YouTube. That's not to say that every single one of them can't have moments of being that perfect picture, but there is a LOT more to them than that.
My advice is to stick with it. Do your research, read posts here, ask questions - we are here to help you in any way we can.
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Post by biteybird on Feb 17, 2017 23:04:09 GMT -5
Hi Pidgesmum, I think what you are feeling is very normal for quaker parrot owners (slaves). You can't do everything at once, so just chip away a little bit at a time. First, pick one thing you think is most important and just do that. It could be a simple thing like just responding to him from another room (like Zim suggested). When Bonnie does her quaker contact call, we often just do a whistle or else say "It's OK, we're here). It doesn't ALWAYS work, but it does most of the time.
I often think that if we'd known more about quakers and their challenging behaviours & what we were getting into, we might have changed our minds...but, even though Bonnie is noisy and aggressive to my husband, we both love her dearly and she has really enriched our lives in many ways.
Keep smiling and don't hesitate to vent if you wish!
P.S. 5 months is still pretty early days, so even though things may seem grim at present there's plenty of time for you and Pidge to come to an understanding. He's a chewer, eh? I meant to ask you if he is out of the cage a lot - if so, perhaps you could limit his out-of-cage time to 1-2 hours per day, but very closely monitored and with your undivided attention (what I mean is, devote your attention solely to him while he's out). We've found Bonnie does not react well to us being on our computers/devices when she's out - she regards that time as HERS and resents it if our attention is not on her at all times.
Chin up!
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Post by easttex on Feb 18, 2017 4:21:33 GMT -5
Great advice from zim and biteybird. As biteybird said, Pidge is still pretty young. In the wild, he would still be under the instruction of adults, and you have to assume that role. It's our responsibility to help them adapt to the very unnatural environment we place them in. It's a lifelong responsibility, and it can feel overwhelming at times, but it's also very rewarding once you get things on track and stick with it. Parrots chew, and that is so fundamental that you won't be able to change that. Make sure he has lots of fun things of different textures that he can chew on. Reward him when he chews on his own stuff. If Pidge is free flying, you have to bird-proof as best you can the areas he has access to. Limit the areas he can access so that you can always keep an eye on him, and if he starts chomping on the furniture, distract him with one of his toys, and reward him when he plays with it. Make sure all your interactions with him are calm and positive. Parrots easily pick up on our emotions and moods, and will reflect them back onto us. If you're feeling despair over the lack of progress with Pidge, leave him alone and wait until you can put on a happy face. Keep at the training. Break a desired behavior down into tiny increments, and reward lavishly for the smallest bit of progress. The best rule when dealing with parrots is "reward the behavior you want and ignore the behavior you don't want". Obviously, you can't literally ignore Pidge while he shreds your prized possessions, but you can calmly redirect him. No drama when he misbehaves - that is a reward for bad behavior, even if you don't see it as a reward. You care enough to ask for help, and that is something many people won't do. They'll just give up and put the bird out of the way and go on about their lives. It takes work, but you can turn things around! Keep coming back for help, or when you just need a little understanding.
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Post by julianna on Feb 19, 2017 14:11:24 GMT -5
I must agree with the others. I think the one thing that would bother me the most when I first got Oscar was the screaming. Especially when I let the room he just wouldn't stop. Zim gave you great advice... you MUST call back (unless it is bed time). Oscar still does this after being with me for 6 years. I always give a little whistle back and he will calm down and only call every minute of so instead of every two seconds.
It seems that I live my life trying to keep Oscar happy and to quiet the screaming. There are many things I do to help him be happy and you will learn what your little one loves too.
Remember that sometimes when we think they are screaming... they are actually only talking to you and want you to talk back. I know it is difficult at first, but it will get better in time.
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Post by Pidge's Mum on Mar 1, 2017 2:13:28 GMT -5
Thank you everyone for the great advice! I'd like to know how long most people leave their bird in a cage. Pidge comes out when he wakes. We have a shower (best place for conversations) and then breakfast. he has his own food but is obsessed with sharing my bran cereal. I leave him out all morning. In the middle of the day he has children's television and he goes back in his cage. He practises his vocals all afternoon until around 4pm then wants out again. He's out until we start cooking. By 6:30 he's slowed right down and then at 7:30 when he goes to bed he throws himself around the cage and is very noisy. I give him a scratchy cuddle and into bed at 7:45. He now clucks and gives me a voluntary kiss and can shake hands.
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Post by biteybird on Mar 1, 2017 2:21:17 GMT -5
We both work, so I transfer Bonnie to her day cage at about 7:15am, then once we're both home she gets let out at about 5-5:30pm for approximately one hour (plus or minus, depending upon her behaviour). I'd like her to have more time out of the cage, but at the moment we just can't do that - we try to make up for it on weekends, when she can be out for about 3 hours per day. We don't let her out all day, even when we're home, because we think she might have trouble adjusting to work days afterwards. Pidge is so cute!
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Post by julianna on Mar 1, 2017 13:38:24 GMT -5
Pidge sounds like she is coming along just fine. Oscar is always out of the cage as he does not fly and I think that makes a big difference. Also because we are both retired we can keep an eye on him at all times. We do go out to go shopping etc... and Oscar will still be out of his cage ... usually sits on top and waits for us to return. Everyone is a little different and the Quakers usually adjust to the schedule you set for them.
It seems you are letting her out enough but I do understand why she would put up a fuss and want out while you are there. These are flock birds... and they always want to be with their flock.
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Post by zim on Mar 1, 2017 17:22:52 GMT -5
Yoshi and Melly spend more time in their cages than I'd like, but it's due to work/sleep. When I get home of the morning I wait till 7 to get them out of their cage (if I'm 3 minutes late Melly starts screaming, I swear these guys can tell time better than my watch), but Yoshi always stays quiet. I get them out, fix breakfast, and we all sit in the recliner and eat breakfast and watch a show. At around 8:30 - 9 it's back in their cages and me getting to sleep.
I wake up around 5-6, get them back out, me and Yoshi take a shower (Melly doesn't like the shower), we eat dinner and hang out then it's back in the cage and covers on/lights out at 8:30 so I can get to work.
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Post by Caseysmom on Mar 1, 2017 17:43:43 GMT -5
It depends on the day. Casey gets wakes up around 7 during the week, but doesn't get let out of her cage for breakfast until 9. She is usually out most of the morning she prob goes back in around one. Then comes back out for dinner around 6. If we are home in the evening her cage is left open, sometimes she is on top but she will go back inside too. Around 8 each night she has a loud long conversation with herself, repeating all the things she has heard in the day. She gets very animated. Between 9 and 10 she starts calling night night night until I come over to clean her cage and get her ready for bed
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Post by aaron on Mar 2, 2017 0:34:09 GMT -5
Having these little guys is always a series of ups and downs. The better you can roll with the punches, the better it will go. It changes (and complicates) your life, there's no doubt about that. They can be lots of trouble, and frustrating, but you can work with them-- which is a notion you need to have some faith in to succeed... and possess some real patience. But they are also unbelievably charming and adorable creatures that are capable of love and companionship, and as you can see we're able to say that we'd rather have them around, despite the challenges they pose. Cupcake is always challenging us in new ways, but the good times are extremely good, and totally worth it. We've corrected or improved many undesirable behaviors, and I believe she wants to be good-- but bird instincts and drives are strong, so it can take some serious time to make an impact. Don't give up! Cupcake (flighted) is out if we are home. Unless she bites us hard (rare, and gets her a couple minutes of cage time), she is out of her cage with us all the time. We do both work and daughter goes to school, however, so she is often in the cage for 8 hours a day, occasionally more. Even on workdays she gets an hour or more in the morning and 3-4 hours at night. On the weekends, however, there will be days where she is out of the cage for 12 hours straight. She is generally adaptable to change, as long as it isn't too drastic. She seems to prefer having a break from us during the day. 12 straight hours, for several days in a row will definitely produce a grumpy bird. She will not greet us happily if we come home too soon after we leave... but if we are gone long enough, her greeting can be extremely enthusiastic She seems to want to nap, but not want us around while she does it We try to ensure that she is in 12 hours of darkness out of every 24 hour period... Her wakeup time varies from 7am to 9:30am, and she'll be encouraged to bed after 12 hours, regardless of how much time out of the cage she has spent that day. Generally she will start acting grumpy around that time too, so we will initiate the bedtime sequence, in which I will generally eventually get her to go to bed willingly, although it can be quite a process.
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