Raeza
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Post by Raeza on May 17, 2016 19:12:08 GMT -5
Yeah so... apparently we want to start recall training. Haha. His choice.
I had to finish up some work on the computer and Bondi's cage is about... 4 meters behind me when I'm at my computer. He started chirping away at me and I starting talking to him, not really looking. Eventually I turned around and just said "Bondi!!!!" and he immediately took off, though he is pretty flightless at the moment he still likes to think he can fly, of course I moved to him so he had a hand to land on. He did a little happy chirp then took off back to his cage (he didn't quite make it =( damn gravity), I naturally got back up and let him back on his play top from the floor and sat back down to my computer. He did the same thing again and then a third time, I was like alright buddy, if were doing this there will be treats and positive reinforcement involved... lol. Eventually Istarted calling him and he would fly too me, so Bondi will basically come to me if i call him now, as far as his little wings will take him for now at least.
I do plan to keep his wings a bit trimmed, for safety, but I do think he needs a little more upwards capability than he has right now... He cant even make it up to his cage from the ground and to me that's not okay. I doubt that my cat would ever try anything, but should something happen I do want to make sure Bondi will at least be able to get away so he can be comfortable. (Right now Bondi is the one interested in playing with the cat, and the cat is the one running, I honestly hope it stays that way lol.)
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Post by Caseysmom on May 18, 2016 19:24:08 GMT -5
Good for Bondi! Casey knows what come here means, I've always used that when she goes somewhere she shouldn't be or even to walk across the cage to see me.
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Post by julianna on May 19, 2016 15:12:14 GMT -5
Sorry.... but I would never trust a cat around the bird. It takes only one swipe or bite... and that is the end. As far as Bondi flying... if you want him to have upward motion then you cannot trim the long wings on the tips. This gives them the upward motion. And if you do that... he is a flyer. You really have to make your own choice here.
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Raeza
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Post by Raeza on May 19, 2016 19:22:02 GMT -5
As of right now I think they will stay pretty short, for training like people said, but maybe in a while we will let them grow out, hopefully by then hes gotten used to where I don't really like him sitting and what not, we'll see how it goes.
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Post by aaron on May 21, 2016 20:17:55 GMT -5
Agreed. In a home with a cat, I'd be very reluctant to leave a parrot without the ability to fly. Granted, the cat doesn't seem to be interested right now, but animals can be unpredictable, and for that one circumstance that we all hope won't happen, the bird will be a lot better off being able to fly away, as you noted. That said, having a flighted bird is definitely a bigger challenge in many ways, and definitely requires a lot of vigilance and bird proofing, etc. Recall training is important. Cupcake is fully flighted, and is pretty good about coming when we call her, although she still only does it when she feels like it. But she definitely knows what we're requesting, even though she sometimes decides to decline the request
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Post by beccilouise on May 25, 2016 16:50:03 GMT -5
I agree with Aaron, I think if cat and bird are out together, bird needs his natural ability to evade to stay alive. In a very basic sense, this is only fair. I would also be extremely careful about Bondi being on the floor and cats can move REALLY fast. Cats also have a bacteria in their saliva (as do all mammals) called pasteurella, which can cause avian cholera in birds and kill them within 24 hours. Even if the cat just licks the bird, the bird may end up severely ill or hurt. Just something to bear in mind.
Having said that, yay for Bondi! That's great! Maya's wing is currently clipped (it was clipped at the shop, badly. They only did one so she's lop sided, poor girlie), but I'm really keen to let it grow out and keep her flighted if I can. As Julianna says, the decision has to be yours. Parrots that are clipped are less likely (though not totally unable) to fly away, slightly easier to tame and will generally stay where they are put. However, there is a lot of evidence to suggest that flight in parrots is fundamental to maintaining happy and healthy birds, both physically and psychologically. There are plenty of people on this forum who keep their birds clipped for very valid reasons, and from what I can see, the birds are very happy, healthy and contented. There is no doubt that a flighted parrot takes more effort, however, I know of plenty of people who, with proper training, vigilance and an understanding of their bird's personality, run their households very effectively and happily with their birds.
There is also evidence to suggest that flightless birds can sometimes become aggressive as they have no real means by which to remove themselves from situations that scare or upset them. Maya is flightless at the moment, but is not (as yet) an aggressive bird. She is going through a teenage phase at the moment, and so can sometimes get stroppy and territorial (she bit my finger today because I wouldn't share my mints. She learned the hard way that if she bit me, I still wouldn't share my mints, but my finger took a beating!) There is no right or wrong answer to the question of clipping, each situation is individual to the bird and the owner. However, with a cat, I would strongly advise considering keeping Bondi flighted. There's a great book by Rebecca O'connor that details how to train flighted parrots, and the parrot wizard also has a section in his book about training flighted birds, though he is very anti-clipping, his training advice is useful. He has three birds; a senegal, a cape parrot and a scarlet macaw, all of whom are flighted and extremely well trained. It sounds like Bondi is doing really well and recall is a really good start. It's the most important part of flight training, so little Bondi is on the right track!
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