|
Post by beccilouise on Apr 2, 2016 18:22:59 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I have just read that peanuts can contain aflatoxins, which are harmful to all mammals and birds. Maya has peanut butter occasionally (really very rarely!) and am worried that I might not recognise the symptoms of aflaxtoxicity if I came across it. Apparently, aflatoxins are more common in tropical environments (I live in the UK, so it's the opposite of tropical!) I have read that the EU sets controlled limits on the amount of aflatoxin that can be present in any food sold within its range, which makes the foods safe for humans.
Do you think I should stop feeding Maya peanuts and peanut butter, or do you think the risk is limited? She only really has a tiny bit (say, on a piece of toast) once every two or three weeks, but I don't want to hurt her or make her sick.
|
|
|
Post by Caseysmom on Apr 2, 2016 19:23:33 GMT -5
I think from what I've heard the peanut shells are the most harmful as they can have aspergillus mold. Peanuts have a fair bit of fat for them but maybe for a treat once in a while it would be fine. Casey misses out on nut treats as I am allergic. Though I do buy her almonds and pumpkin seeds from the bulk store.
|
|
|
Post by wsteinhoff on Apr 2, 2016 21:34:55 GMT -5
Peanuts can contain the mold aspergillus as was previously said. This mold can cause aspergillosis, an illness that can be deadly. Because of this I try and avoid peanuts. I don't know about the UK but here in the US a very small percentage of this fungus is allowed in human grade peanuts and peanut products. In pet products I heard the amount is not regulated at all. This being said aspergillus can be present in the soil and the air too and not just peanuts. It doesn't effect us humans normally but our birds can get sick from it. Many strains of this mold are actually harmless and are used as a preservative in some of our bird foods, only certain strains can actually be harmful. You can feed peanuts and I know many people do, I personally don't want to take the risk. I'd check to see how your country regulates the amount of aspergillus that is allowed in foods and how much is allowed if any even is. As was also said though peanuts are high in fat. While most of this is healthier fats, fat is still fat and a lot of it can still be harmful.
|
|
|
Post by beccilouise on Apr 3, 2016 2:53:35 GMT -5
Thanks guys, I know about aspergillosis, so don't feed whole peanuts. As far as I was aware, aspergillosis could be everywhere, we breathe it in all the time and it can affect all animals, including humans. Birds tend to get sick with it when highly stressed or their immune system is otherwise compromised. I bought an air purifier shortly after we brought Maya home and use it every day to help reduce these spores in the air. I checked the regulations in the UK and they seem to be pretty tight. I know peanuts are quite fatty and she certainly doesn't get them as anything other than a treat. Thanks for the advice, it's definitely good to know other people's thoughts. I read a horrible article on aspergillosis yesterday evening. Maya had a culture taken last week though (for bacteria and fungus) and it's come back negative, so we're alright as least for a bit!
|
|
|
Post by Jan and Shah on Apr 3, 2016 4:22:34 GMT -5
I believe some parrots can get reflux from nuts (Shah is one of them). Therefore, he can never have nuts again. It is entirely up to you what you feed your quaker but the reflux wont show up in droppings. If Maya seems to be okay, then as long as it is only an occasional treat, it should be okay.
|
|
|
Post by wsteinhoff on Apr 3, 2016 6:26:33 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by beccilouise on Apr 3, 2016 8:54:27 GMT -5
Thanks both. With regard to aspergillosis, I purify the pet room (with an electric air purifier) every day and clean any mould caused by dampness as soon as I see it, which isn't often. Maya lives in the same room as our bunny rabbit, Cleo, who has fresh hay most days, but she is also cleaned out at least twice a week. I change her water every day and her dry food every two or three days. I never leave wet food out for more than 4-6 hours. I clean her cage tray and change her newspaper every other day, or every day if it's particularly soiled. I try to make sure rooms are well ventilated, particularly in the Summer, when it gets quite warm. Do you think this is ok to help prevent Aspergillosis? Should I be doing anything else?
|
|
|
Post by wsteinhoff on Apr 3, 2016 9:14:53 GMT -5
Thanks both. With regard to aspergillosis, I purify the pet room (with an electric air purifier) every day and clean any mould caused by dampness as soon as I see it, which isn't often. Maya lives in the same room as our bunny rabbit, Cleo, who has fresh hay most days, but she is also cleaned out at least twice a week. I change her water every day and her dry food every two or three days. I never leave wet food out for more than 4-6 hours. I clean her cage tray and change her newspaper every other day, or every day if it's particularly soiled. I try to make sure rooms are well ventilated, particularly in the Summer, when it gets quite warm. Do you think this is ok to help prevent Aspergillosis? Should I be doing anything else? Since molds typically like warm, damp, and dark areas I think you're fine.
|
|
|
Post by beccilouise on Apr 3, 2016 10:02:43 GMT -5
Ok, thanks. I see stuff like this and go into panic mode about my little birdie. I think I might forego peanuts, although peanut butter hasn't harmed her, but she doesn't have it very often at all as it's very fatty. Better to be knowledgeable about it though, as then you're for-armed to deal with it, so thanks for the extra information and advice!
|
|
|
Post by aaron on Apr 5, 2016 16:03:12 GMT -5
We don't give Cupcake any peanut products just to be on the safe side... but we did for a long time before we learned about all of this and she was fine. But it's really just as well, because peanuts aren't particularly healthy and there are plenty of nuts and nut butters you can use alternatively.
|
|
|
Post by beccilouise on Apr 5, 2016 17:26:20 GMT -5
Ok, good to know Maya has never had a fresh peanut, she's just had peanut butter, and aflatoxins are obviously controlled in these, and aspergillus spores are at a minimum. We've changed the hay set up on recommendation by the vet, so that Cleo has a 'hay tray' and a 'litter tray', the hay tray being removed at night so the room can be vacuumed and ventilated, thus minimising the build up of any spores. As the hay does not get damp, there are unlikely to be many, but it should help. Am I right in assuming that aspergillus is a mould/fungus and so needs damp to grow?
|
|
|
Post by aaron on Apr 5, 2016 18:53:36 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by cnyguy on Apr 5, 2016 20:32:40 GMT -5
Ralph doesn't get peanuts-- I discard the few that come in his Higgins safflower mix, since it's thought to be risky to feed them. George the YCA used to get them often, and would actually eat the shells and not the nuts. Fortunately, he never suffered any illnesses from it, but I used to buy good quality human-grade peanuts, which may have added a little safety factor. Years ago, it was common practice to give peanuts to parrots, and it was never hinted that there might be a problem with doing so.
|
|
|
Post by easttex on Apr 6, 2016 6:09:29 GMT -5
Some pellets, including Harrison's, have ground peanuts in them. I don't worry about them there. Any commercially-available peanuts in the U.S. have been inspected. That's not a guarantee, of course, but aflatoxins are a potential problem with many crops that probably don't get the scrutiny that peanuts do. I wouldn't buy a bag from the farmer's market.
The advice I've seen on peanut butter is the opposite from the norm; that is to buy the more processed versions and steer clear of the organic varieties. Peppy is not crazy about peanuts, and I don't give him any. Allie loves them. We share a few shelled Planter's unsalted dry roasted every day.
|
|