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Post by lorishopaholic on Mar 10, 2016 8:02:50 GMT -5
Hi! I would love to hear what it's like owning a Quaker and some of their personalities. We are trying to decide what bird is right for our family. A Quaker has been recommended to us by a few people but I really don't know a lot about them. We are new to birds but have experience with lots of different kinds of animals. I raised and showed horses growing up and my husband raised cattle. We have a French Bulldog and have owned large breed dogs in the past. I would be the main caretaker and I work from home so could spend lots of time with a bird. We have 2 children, the oldest is away at college and the youngest is 7. We are looking for something that all of us can enjoy and interact with. Talking would be a bonus but temperament would be the most important. Are Quakers loving birds and like affection or are they more hands off and don't like to be touched too much? Also, would you recommend getting a just weaned baby? There is a breeder in the area and they have 6 month old Quakers which I know is considered a baby but I didn't know if it would be better to get a just weaned one. Hers are hand fed but I'm not sure how much they are actually handled after that which worries me. Also, are they nippy? We are looking at Green Cheeks too but I keep reading how nippy they are. Looking forward to any input you might have! Thanks!
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Post by aaron on Mar 10, 2016 11:11:39 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum! You are doing the right thing by doing research before making a decision. Quakers are wonderful birds, but they, like all parrots, can also be very challenging pets. Their demeanor will vary depending on the individual bird, as they each have an individual personality, but in general, Quakers are very energetic, headstrong, inquisitive, and charismatic birds. They are very intelligent, particularly for their size, and are seen as having the personality of a larger parrot packed into a small parrot's body. They can be quite silly and fun and are very loving companions when all goes well. They can also be quite demanding and territorial, can be quite loud (although many are fairly quiet birds), and some can be quite nippy to say the least, but that definitely varies, and can often be improved with the right training. Generally speaking, they are very good talkers, although it's important to realize that not all of them will talk (we have a 5 year old Quaker who does not speak). Some are very cuddly, and others are less so, but they are in general quite affectionate birds. They will undoubtedly capture your heart with a quickness. So, a few things about keeping parrots as pets-- They start out sweet as babies, and are nice to everyone, and then around 1-2 years of age, they reach sexual maturity, and things change. In a family setting there is a good likelihood that your parrot will at this point choose a favorite person as a mate and become defensive/aggressive against the others in the home. In the long term, this is generally resolvable, but it will take a plan, patience and persistence to get through it. You'll also encounter other hormonal behaviors that you will need to make sure you do not encourage. You will definitely get bitten. How often, and how hard varies, but this applies to all parrots. They aren't the greatest pets for young children for this reason. We have a 10 year old, and we don't allow Cupcake to sit on her. While Cupcake is not an aggressive bird in the least, and very rarely bites, they are never fully predictable. Furthermore, it takes a calm and patient demeanor to have a good relationship with a bird, which is something most children do not possess... so I would work within the expectation that your 7 year old will not handle the bird at first. I am not particularly knowledgeable on them, but from the bit I know, I would have said that Green Cheek Conures are actually less nippy than Quakers, not more. But I could be wrong. I think most of us as parrot owners feel a personal obligation to counteract the fact that parrots are often glorified as pets. As I've already noted, they are hard work-- noisy, messy, demanding, impatient, territorial. They also live a long time-- they essentially substantially reduce the flexibility of your existence on a near-permanent basis. All of that said, our QP, Cupcake, is a beacon of light in our household. She is extremely sweet, funny, charming. She makes us smile and laugh every day (and often laughs with us)... She very rarely bites (and never hard), is not cage aggressive or territorial at all, and is extremely affectionate and cuddly-- very tolerant of being touched. She's a highly valued member of our family and I don't know what we would do without her. At this point she is a wonderful family pet-- but it hasn't always been this way! And even in the very favorable scenario that we find ourselves in at this point, she is a ton of work. I'm not particularly knowledgeable about whether to get a just weaned vs 6 month old-- We got Cupcake at 9 months old from a pet store. The others might be able to give you some insight on that. Sorry for the diatribe I'm not trying to discourage you-- you sound like you have the makings of a good bird owner. Just want to make sure you know what you're up against. Hopefully this helps and doesn't just complicate the issue. Please feel free to ask any follow up questions you might have! We are all happy to help.
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Post by biteybird on Mar 10, 2016 12:33:20 GMT -5
Hi there! Aaron has pretty much said it all and very well, too. Our blue QP, Bonnie, is just over 2 years old and we got her just after weaning (at about 8 weeks old). She is very smart and funny - but she is also cage territorial, noisy and messy & VERY nippy towards my husband. This was not always the case (the nipping/biting), but it changed suddenly during her progression to adulthood. She can speak about 10 words or so and uses them in the correct context, but she used to talk much more. Now she tends to talk when she thinks we're not listening. Quakers require at least as much 1:1 attention and interaction as a dog that you might want to train. They can get bored easily if you are too busy to spend a minimum of about 1 hour per day with them. Bonnie is very affectionate and likes being handled lots - when SHE wants! If she's not in the mood she lets us know with a token nip. She gets lots of head scratches and she puts her head down and makes a kind of purring noise, which is really cute. Bonnie's greatest desire in life is to be with my husband or I (or both) ALL the time (which, of course, is not possible as we are both away at our workplaces on weekdays). She would happily ignore toys or anything else in favour of being with her humans. We don't have kids, so I can't speak with experience about how a quaker might react to a 7-year-old child, but I would think very carefully about this - there are some forum members who know of/have experienced disastrous situations involving quakers and children (mainly the QP biting the child). It sounds like I'm trying to put you off getting a quaker; it's just that you have to be VERY sure you want one - especially considering they can live over 30 years. If you would prefer a bird that is more passive, less demanding and not as long-lived you could consider a cockatiel or a budgie. On the other hand, if you want a really fun, cheeky bird with personality plus, a quaker is for you! If you decide to get a QP I'd definitely recommend a just-weaned baby over a 6-month-old. You are wise in being cautious regarding the amount of handling and interaction the slightly older birds may have had; but having said that, 6 months is still young enough to turn around any negative behaviours IF you have the time and inclination. Hope this helps.
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Post by julianna on Mar 10, 2016 14:12:22 GMT -5
I don't think I can say more than what has already been said. My QP (Oscar) is very similar to those noted above other than Oscar does not fly therefore, I am his direct link to get him from room to room or anywhere he wants to go.
He has made me his slave and I love it. He can communicate quite well just with his body motions... such as sticking his head out in the direction he wants to go... flapping his wings when he gets his way.. shaking his head "NO" when he doesn't like something... etc. etc.
I enjoy the fact that they love all types of different foods and will come and get what he wants off my plate at meal times. I always have to share with him but he will never share his food with me. (greedy little boy)
Good Luck with your decision.
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Post by Jan and Shah on Mar 10, 2016 15:20:32 GMT -5
I wont add to what has been said above except that they can be very demanding at times. I got Shah at 5 months of age - he picked me - I didn't know the first thing about quakers and I can honestly say that without this forum, it would have been a disaster. They are not like other parrots. Having said that, I cant imagine my life without him. Have you thought about cockatiels? The males can be taught to talk and they are such sweet little birds (I have 2). However, if you think you really do want a quaker, then everyone on this forum will answer any questions you may have on their care, diet, problems, etc.
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Post by cnyguy on Mar 10, 2016 21:45:05 GMT -5
Welcome! As you can tell from the other replies, each parrot is an individual and has his or her own unique personality. My QP Ralph is on the quiet side. He doesn't scream or screech, but he does squawk. He knows a lot of words and understands what they mean, but doesn't say them often or loudly. He isn't what you could call a cuddly parrot, but he would rather be perched on me than anywhere else in the world. He's smart, curious and inquisitive, and also rather stubborn and particular that things should be done his way. He has a well-developed sense of humor too, and is playful. Ralph was about six months old when I got him and I would say that's a good age for a newly acquired parrot-- though fully weaned babies I imagine will be good companions too.
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Post by Caseysmom on Mar 10, 2016 22:58:02 GMT -5
We got Casey when she was just under five months old, and already a vet surrender as her first owner couldn't pay the large emergency vet bill. She chose, two people in our house to be best friends with. She is nine now, and even though my daughter has moved out, she is still happy to see her when she visits. I can do anything with her and she will let me reach into her cage at any time of day. Whenever any young children visit and want to "hold" Casey I get her out and put her on their heads, they laugh with excitement. Casey poses, I snap a picture For as nice as she is to me, she will try and bite a young child... She knows she will get a fun screech out of the deal and Quakers like drama! Adults on the other hand are welcome guests and she will climb up their arms and start talking to them. Like other Quakers Casey speaks in context and thrives on joining in with the household goings on.
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Post by easttex on Mar 11, 2016 5:11:04 GMT -5
What everyone else said! I just want to put in a plug for older birds, in case you haven't considered it. Unfortunately, many people get parrots on impulse and have no idea what to do with them. They wind up needing new homes. As was said several times, they're individuals, and in many cases all they need is love, patience, and understanding to become good companions. My quaker, Peppy, was 21 when I got him. He was cage bound and a biter. It took over six months to handle him comfortably, but now he is a cuddle monster. I'm not suggesting you should look for a senior bird with a lot of problems, but if you come across one that is over six months, don't dismiss it out of hand. I know they're awfully cute and cuddly as babies, but that is a phase. Depending on where you live, there are lots of homeless parrots that need a second chance. Good luck with whatever you decide.
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Post by beccilouise on Mar 11, 2016 7:58:19 GMT -5
Everyone has already given you great advice. We all love our birds dearly but are EXTREMELY keen that nobody takes on the responsibility of a QP, or any parrot, unless they are absolutely sure they can devote the time, attention, patience, love and commitment that the birds need. They are not really pets so much as members of the family. My QP Byron is nearly 8 months old and so still at that lovely, baby stage. He is, however, beginning to push boundaries.Even though he is young, he can be very demanding. Whenever I make toast, he makes a point of shuffling down my shoulder and croaking until he gets a piece! Byron is not so bad, but Quakers also have LOUD VOICES, and though not all Quakers use them, be aware that they have the potential to turn your house into a steelworks factory. We have had to very strictly train Byron to use his voice properly if he wants our attention. Byron is also a real busy-body. He takes to toys easily, which is great in some respects, but also means he gets BORED of them really fast too! I must spend at least £20 a month just on toys to keep him occupied! It is a joy, though, to see him excitedly attacking a new piece of cardboard or engrossed in chewing on a tissue (like a nutter!) Everyone who has met him loves him, he is the most adorable bird. I wouldn't say that any bird is a good pet for a young child. Quakers are better than some of the larger species, but I would NEVER allow a child to handle or play with Byron without constant supervision. There are just too many things that can go wrong and they (birds and children!) have quite forceful personalities. A cockatiel would likely have a slightly more patient temperament than a Quaker and, therefore, be a better pet in a house with a child. However, it depends very heavily on the bird. I love my bird dearly and am so glad he came into my life. He comes with me everywhere and if, for whatever reason, something happened that might make me get rid of him, I would do everything in my power to keep him. He has helped me SO MUCH with my anxiety and become a real and constant friend. But these guys are intelligent, often scoring at the same IQ level as 3 - 5 year old human beings. They are social and they are wild. That goes for all birds. If taken care of properly, they can teach you an incredible amount. Easttex also makes a good point. There are so many birds who have had terrible starts and who, with a little patience, love and understanding, could make wonderful and loving pets. There are some fantastic books available on Quaker parrots, and I've just bought a brilliant book by Rebecca K O'Connor called 'The Perfectly Trained Parrot' which has revolutionised my training sessions with Byron. It's good you're thinking about it before you take on a bird of any kind, and whichever bird you end up with will, I'm sure, be very grateful for your forethought Good luck with your decision!
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Post by sandee on Mar 11, 2016 18:36:27 GMT -5
Having a Quaker is like having a forever 3 year old. I hire "birdy sitters" when I travel. Gordon will tell me "gotta take a bath" and then proceed to dump his little tub! He will bite me, say "no biting" then laugh his fool head off! He tells me "you're a good boy" several times a day. He eats my food, drinks from my water glass and and generally runs my life.
The thing is, Gordon needs more attention then the parakeets and cockatiels I had before. On the other hand, he talks (a lot) and often wants a cuddle. He thinks he's in charge of me, and maybe he is. Probably the same amount as a dog, but I've never had a dog. Not the best for a first bird, IMHO.
~Sandee~
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Post by Julie on Mar 19, 2016 9:47:51 GMT -5
I haven't been on here in a very long time, but wanted to share. My Yoshi is FULL of PERSONALITY! She likes to think she is "The Boss" and sometimes she really is! She can be very loud at times. The best thing that I ever did, was to buy her a night night cage for my bedroom. I just hated leaving her out in the living room by herself all night. Well that one decision has saved our family and company's sanity. When she gets really loud during the day with family and company here, I will just move her into her night night cage, which is full furnished and she loves it! It is cuddly and right by a window. She can scream all she wants in there an nobody cares. I think she really likes it in there, most of the time she doesn't make a sound once I put her in there AND she has never made noise at night. Once we go to bed, she says, "night night" and does not make a sound until I WAKE HER UP in the morning. I wake up and say, "good morning Yoshi" and she says, "good morning". Do not misunderstand me, I do not put her in there all of the time. Only when she is throwing a SQUAWKING FIT FOR NO REASON and we are trying to watch a movie or have company over. I keep trying to teach her that "I AM THE BOSS!" but she just isn't getting it! I love that little bird. She brings so much joy to my life. She talks a lot and in proper contents, it is pretty funny! She sings songs, dances, takes a shower with me everyday, (and reminds me if she thinks I forgot). I only wish I could get her in a harness so I could take her running with me too. I just know she would LOVE IT, but she absolutely will not get in that harness no matter what I do. It has been hanging on her cage for three years now, trying to get her use to it and still she FREAKS OUT whenever I pick it up. LOL!!! She has no idea how much fun it would be if she would just get over it already! She is a great companion. I too work from home and I have to make sure I close my office door when I go to work or there are times I can here her screaming. She is like a "watch bird". If someone goes walking by, she has this alarm scream that she does. Even a squirrel outside get the alarm scream. She is better at this than the dogs.
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Post by PaScuba on Mar 29, 2016 16:35:44 GMT -5
I'm a brand new member here - but I'll share some of my experiences with my QP's. First, some background about me - I used to raise and train the birds for customers. I have raised and trained dogs, horses, and several species of birds, Cockatiels, Budgies, Conures, Indian Ring Necks, Amazons, and a rescued Umbrella Cockatoo - Bobbie. The youngest bird being a 6 day old QP needing formula every 2 hours (day and night) and the oldest being Bobbie at 22 years. It's been my experience that the younger the bird - the quicker it will become adjusted to the new home and become attached to the family. But an animal at any age - given enough love, time and patience, can become a wonderful addition to the family. So if you were to get a very young QP that still needs hand feeding, even if it's just once or twice per day for a week, I recommend that by you and your spouse alternate feeding. Otherwise, you may find your bird bonding to the one who feeds and reject the one who doesn't.
It's important to remember that most "pet quality" birds live in a flock, and interact with others in the flock every day - all day long. So when you bring home a single bird - you and your family become the flock. The more time you can spend with your bird, the tighter the relationship will be. But it is very important that you spend as much time as you can with your flock, at a minimum - an hour. Since you work at home, even if your bird is in another room, talk with it, answer it's calls, take a moment to give it a treat (i.e. favorite food - a couple of seeds or detached ball of millet spay, a scratch behind the head or a rub on the beak) throughout the day. Think of it as more "quality time" than "quantity time" without interaction.
Right now we have a 3 year old cocker spaniel (Cookie)and we also have a 9 month old QP (Lola)that was purchased from the breeder at 3 weeks of age. Unfortunately for Lola, the breeder didn't clip the wings - but cut off the feathers on one wing. If the bird you are going to get can fly and you want your bird's wings clipped - make sure that both wings are trimmed equally and leave 3 or 4 of the flight feathers (the longest feathers at the end of the wing). There are plenty of good videos that you can watch to see how this is done. Clipping one wing will cause the bird to be unbalanced when it flaps its wings and will not be able to "fly" to the floor without running the risk of breaking bones, damaging it head or beak. A bird with a few flight feathers can't fly up more than a foot or two, but it will be able to safely fly to the floor.
Cookie is jealous of Lola and growl's at her when Lola is too close to her food bowl. Lola plays with Cookie and her toys. And Cookie plays with Lola, sharing her rope toys with her. I'm still working with Cookie to have her allow Lola to ride on her back. Cookie is becoming less fearful of Lola because she no longer bites Cookie - but Lola will remove stickers and grass that gets caught is Cookie's fur. Sometimes Lola will preen Cookie's hair.
I am Lola's partner of choice and Lola will bite my wife - Lucia. Lucia is starting to spend a little more time with Lola and the biting behavior is declining. For the past couple of weeks, Lola comes to Lucia to get "plate food" when Lucia calls her. Patience is not Lucia's strong suit. And patience is required with any bird you add to your family.
Three out of five QP's that we've owned were talkers starting at about 6 months. All of our birds had different personalities, played with different toys, had different levels of affection - a couple were very "clingy" and one didn't like being held at all and would jump or fly off quickly after getting away from his cage.
I recommend that you get some info on positive reinforcement training and/or the ABC's of behavior. I am a big proponent of clicker training as well - the clicker is a marker for the animal to know exactly when they were doing the correct behavior. And the animal knows that a treat will always follow.
I will say that ALL birds need to have quality time spent with them. Some species more than others. IMHO the Quaker is an excellent companion bird. You will be amazed at the intelligence these birds have. How quickly they learn and how long they seem to hold a grudge. But with time and patience - I think you will be happy. You'll both grow to know each other, learn each others moods, expressions, and be able to tell by the tone of your voice when you each are happy, sad, worried, angry, and when to be left alone - at least for NOW. It's great that you are doing some investigative work before you take on a feathered companion. I've had a bird as part of my life for more than 35 years, and I must admit, it is worth it.
Good luck and I pray you will find the best companion for you and your family.
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Post by sierran on Apr 3, 2016 1:02:01 GMT -5
Best bird I've ever owned. The shop had held him for a looong time..he was about three when I found him. He also came from a breeder so that's much different then buying an untamed quaker..but mine was the SWEETEST BOY EVER. Made me cry a couple times because he couldn't stop kissing my hands :3 he already knew a lot..there was times that he would get "excited" and nip but he never tried to hurt me..just warn me. Any bird you get, you should remember that if you want your bird to trust you, you also have to trust them completely too. I have had budgies on budgies but never realized this until I got my Quaker..probably because he could really do some damage if he wanted to lol
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Post by easttex on Apr 3, 2016 5:35:15 GMT -5
if you want your bird to trust you, you also have to trust them completely too. That is a really good point!
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