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Caique
Jan 8, 2016 6:42:14 GMT -5
Post by easttex on Jan 8, 2016 6:42:14 GMT -5
I got one of those bites once from my grey, when I hadn't had her for long. I knew exactly what caused it. I attempted to hand her off to my husband, and instead of gaining a steady perch, she wound up flapping in the breeze on his unbuttoned shirt. After rescuing her, I got a grinding, grinding bite on the thumb. It felt like it went on forever. Seven years later, there is a scar of distinction. It was hard to project confidence for a while after that, but Allie came with a lot of phobias, and there was no question about using a handheld perch. After I got over my hurt feelings, I realized she had as much reason to distrust me as I had her. Trust is a two way street with them, and though I knew the first moves had to come from me, I was definitely bluffing for a while. That kind of bite comes out of serious distress, and it must have been as traumatic for her as it was for me. After seven years together, I don't think her reaction would be the same today, though I'm not about to test that hypothesis. I did start watching her body language much more carefully, so I guess that was the silver lining. I know what you're going through, Sharyn.
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Caique
Jan 18, 2016 5:37:07 GMT -5
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Post by msdani1981 on Jan 18, 2016 5:37:07 GMT -5
Hi Sharyn, I just thought I'd check in.... How are things going?
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Caique
Jan 26, 2016 20:09:40 GMT -5
Post by Sharyn and Mr P on Jan 26, 2016 20:09:40 GMT -5
So...fast forward to almost a month living with a Caique. I think FC is one of the strangest birds I have lived with. If a bird could be bi-polar, this bird is. From everything I have read though, this IS the nature of black headed caiques. She makes Mr P seem like a very calm, quiet, easy going bird when compared with her. Think about THAT for a minute! LOL
One thing, that I didnt know is that she talks. A lot. All day. Even at night. When she is covered. Or gets up to eat in the middle of the night. She never seems to stop talking. Ever. If she is not talking, she is beeping like the microwave, making noises similar to R2D2, whistling, or doing her Caique flock call which can be loud although not like Daisy the Goffins' was.
She bites. HARD. Harder than a quaker. When she bites, she digs her beak into whatever she has bitten and crushes down as hard as she can, then she twists. She does not let go. She will hang there biting the chosen body part as hard as she can. It bleeds. All over everything.
She has conversations with herself. I am guessing she was in a main room in her last home and the couple who lived there would have conversations and she would hear them, but they'd be distant and muffled because maybe she was in the dining room and they were in the living room. The couple apparently got along fine, because the conversation contains a lot of laughter.
It normally goes something like this (many times throughout the day)
oh. I know, I know, I know!
Fine. Fine. Fine. I hear you (or something about hearing, I can't quite make it out)
then both male AND female laughter. She definately has 2 different laughs and voices she is imitating
Then, she starts over. From the beginning. She always laughs in the same place.
When I walk into the room she is in , she says Hi Mommy, throws kisses and says Pretty pretty pretty bird. She changes the amount of times she repeats the word pretty. The more excited she is, the more she says pretty.
At night, she goes into her hut until you get the cage cover. As soon as she sees you with the cover, she runs out of her hut so she can chew on the cage cover after you cover her. She also likes to shred the newspaper in the cage which I have started leaving down there on purpose so she is shredding clean paper. When shes shredding paper and chewing on the cage cover she says (the entire time) FruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuitCaique, with a huge emphsasis on the FRU part of fruit. This is the only time she says her name that way, most of the time she says like you or I would.
Although I wouldnt say she HATES women, which is what I was told, she prefers men. We have gone (with quite a bit of work on my end) from maniacally attacking the woman when the man is in the room, to tolerating the female's presence and maybe stepping up onto the females hand without biting her. When a man isnt around, she will in fact bond to the woman that is her primary caretaker if the woman goes out of her way to feed her yummies and give her a LOT of attention which are the 2 things she likes best.
When the man isnt around and she likes the woman, she is a clown. She whistles to get the woman's attention and figures out what to say to make the woman look at her and laugh. She will sit on the woman's hand for short periods of time even without a bribe. Today she actually rubbed her cheek against my finger when I asked her to step up, then wanted to climb up my arm (first time she has tried) which of course, due to her bi polar nature, I would not let her do
Anyway, it has been an incredible learning experience for me. Her moods can turn in an instant and you have to be constantly aware of what she is doing if she is within beak's reach of you.
We have a potential adopter for her but I'm not sure she is ready to go to a male/female couple without a little more work. We'll see.
I will say this. IF I was considering another bird to adopt (which I'm not), it would not be a Caique, no offense to anyone out there. We just had one come back into rescue. He lasted in his adoptive home like 3 weeks before he bit both his parronts hard and repeatedly that they brought him back. The original meet and greet that all adopter do when interested in a bird from the Rescue, went really well. The bird was fine for a week before he started his agression.
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Caique
Jan 26, 2016 21:26:18 GMT -5
Post by cnyguy on Jan 26, 2016 21:26:18 GMT -5
Caiques aren't known for being all that talkative, according to everything I've read anyway, so maybe Fruitcaique is unique in that way. They are known for being constantly active though-- so FC is living up to that part of the Caique stereotype. I've also read that they're "beaky," but there's not so much out there about their biting so hard or insistently.
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Caique
Jan 26, 2016 21:43:20 GMT -5
Post by Caseysmom on Jan 26, 2016 21:43:20 GMT -5
You are sure working hard, and it must be exciting to see some progress. Hopefully any new owners will understand there is lots of work to continue.
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Post by Jan and Shah on Jan 26, 2016 21:57:18 GMT -5
I got exhausted reading your post Sharyn. What a handful. It must be difficult for you as her mood swings can be very sudden. You are a brave woman
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Caique
Jan 26, 2016 22:38:54 GMT -5
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Post by wsteinhoff on Jan 26, 2016 22:38:54 GMT -5
I've only seen caiques in photos but they sure sound like quite a handful.
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Post by Sharyn and Mr P on Jan 26, 2016 22:44:15 GMT -5
lol Jan, not that brave. I have learned the best way to present my hand to her so even if she does bite, she doesnt get a good grip and I can put her back before she latches on. She is extremely food oriented which really helps. I have been placing my hand far enough away from her for stepping up that she actually has to walk over to my hand and then step up. Then I know for sure she is making the choice to come to me. If she tried to bite me as she is stepping up, then I tell her ut uh, and I withdraw my hand, and the food. I give it 5 mins and come back and try again. It is very rare that she tries to bite again the 2nd time. I am teaching her not to "beak" this way too. There is beaking and then there is clamping down hard enough that beaking hurts, which is then biting.
She is smart. It was touch and go there for awhile but she understands that if she clamps down on me for whatever reason, too hard, she loses the opportunity to get a treat. The funny part is, when Rick presents his hand, the same way I do, she never touches him with her beak, she just gently and ladylike steps up. I would honestly say it will take me about 6 months of having her step up without aggression towards me that I'd finally trust her enough to offer her my hand like I do to Mr P, with fingers out, so there is a good grip.
I dont think I"m going to have 6 months though, if her potential adopters take her home. We'll see how the meet and greet goes. My guess is that if she bites the woman right away, they probably will not take her home. The man won't have problems with her.
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Caique
Jan 27, 2016 16:01:23 GMT -5
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Post by rickygonzalez on Jan 27, 2016 16:01:23 GMT -5
Wow, the caique I took care of wasn't aggressive at all. He was a clown and would hang upside down in his cage and scream when he wanted out of his cage. He never bit me though. I'm glad you're working with her though. You're a saint!!! He was a white belly, wonder if that makes a difference?
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Post by easttex on Jan 27, 2016 17:28:30 GMT -5
Trying to find the silver lining to this - maybe you won't get as attached to her as you did with Daisy.
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Caique
Jan 28, 2016 16:03:48 GMT -5
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Post by msdani1981 on Jan 28, 2016 16:03:48 GMT -5
Wow, I'm sorry that this one is so difficult!
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Post by Sharyn and Mr P on Jan 28, 2016 22:32:35 GMT -5
It's a great learning experience. With each difficult foster, I learn more and become more prepared for the next difficult one. LOL and yes, there are no worries about getting really attached to her, although when she is in a good mood and wanting to be charming and engaging, she really can be. Unfortunately, when you foster for any kind of rescue, not just parrots, you find that at least 50% of the animals that get relinquished have behavior problems. Not unsolvable ones, just ones that ppl don't feel like dealing with. Sometimes the owners themselves, unknowingly CAUSED the behavior issue and now don't want to deal with it. Ironically enough, the very first foster I had was the only one that had no issues, he had a college bound teen as his mom and she couldnt take care of him and her parents couldnt either for whatever reason. He was a sweet little cockatiel named Remi. Every foster I have had since, had some sort of issue in addition to not stepping up. On the positive side, there is very little more rewarding than seeing the bird you have been working with for weeks/months go from the shy/aggressive/non social/wouldnt play with toys/screamed all day/unhappy soul to acting like a parrot should, playing with toys, socializing,foraging and basically enjoying life again. It's awesome and humbling at the same time And then the biggest reward, is to see them go off with their new adoptive parronts to their forever home and get text messages from the parronts a year later still, telling you how happy the bird and the humans are.
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Caique
Jan 28, 2016 22:59:36 GMT -5
Post by aaron on Jan 28, 2016 22:59:36 GMT -5
Wow, Sharyn. You've got quite a project on your hands here! I've only played with some Caiques briefly at the parrot store nearby, but they were fun at the time... This one sounds like quite a handful. Sounds like you're doing great though. The imitation of both parts of the conversation is pretty cute too
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Caique
Jan 29, 2016 2:12:04 GMT -5
Post by biteybird on Jan 29, 2016 2:12:04 GMT -5
Sharyn, I take my hat off to you. I'm sure you are doing a wonderful job and will see the improvements in Fruitcaique's behaviour as time goes by. Hopefully she will have sufficient training time for you to be comfortable with the new owners when they materialise.
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Caique
Apr 4, 2016 21:31:35 GMT -5
Post by Sharyn and Mr P on Apr 4, 2016 21:31:35 GMT -5
And so folks, this story has a happy ending too. Fruitcaique got adopted this past weekend and I think she only bit me 2 or 3 more times since I lasted posted here. Gonna do a quick drive by in the general discussion, busy doesnt even describe my life right now!
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