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Caique
Jan 4, 2016 19:21:39 GMT -5
Post by aaron on Jan 4, 2016 19:21:39 GMT -5
That's very exciting! Caiques are lots of fun. They have a lot of them at the parrot store nearby and I've had fun playing with them. Definitely little clowns.
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Post by Sharyn and Mr P on Jan 4, 2016 23:20:50 GMT -5
This is a good article, thank you for sharing. So far, I have not experienced any of the clownliness that they are describing but Fruitcaique hasnt been here very long. I think she is a little confused and probably a tad depressed, she was bonded to the husband of the woman that I got her from. The woman who had her previously has medical issues and neither of them wanted to give up the bird, although the woman swore the bird always attacked her.
I have experienced the "beaking" although in my case, it is just Fruitcaique ensuring that the "perch" I am offering her(my hand), is secure. If I had to guess, I would say the woman who had her before me was afraid when Fruitcaique reached out her beak to test the "perch" and she pulled her hand away. The 2nd day I had her I gave her a treat every time I walked into the quarantine room. She LOVES food, loves to eat, and she is smart. It didnt take her long to figure out that when she saw me, she got yummy treats. By yesterday, she was stepping up and I was giving her a treat after she stepped up. Today, she was stepping up quite willingly without a treat.
She will probably eventually get a little unpredictable as it seems to be the nature of the beast but so far, she has been so sweet I can't even believe this is the same bird that was described to me!!! (KNOCK ON WOOD!!)
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Caique
Jan 5, 2016 16:41:49 GMT -5
Post by Jan and Shah on Jan 5, 2016 16:41:49 GMT -5
Hi Sharyn, please keep us updated on Fruitcaique's progress.
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Caique
Jan 5, 2016 17:08:11 GMT -5
Post by Sharyn and Mr P on Jan 5, 2016 17:08:11 GMT -5
OK...here is what I learned today from my adorable Fruitcaique. Everything is relative! If one thinks that getting bitten by a quaker hurts, the way to cure that belief is to get bitten by a caique It was totally my fault. I didnt recognize the warning signs..I actually misinterpreted them. I saw the signs, but I interpreted them as excitement, not anger. WRONG Caiques are like bulldogs. Once they latch onto your hand, finger, whatever, they hang on for dear life. I actually had to use my other hand to pry her beak from my finger. Things had been going pretty well, and I think they will still be ok, I just need to be more careful. I will say that after the incident, she wound up on the carpeted floor. I bent down to pick her up and she bit me again, this time not as hard and I was able to pry her loose fairly easily. So, I walked into my bathroom (she is quarantined in my bedroom) and let her calm down. To her credit she did not go chasing after me in attack mode, which I"ve heard they do. What she eventually wound up doing (about 15 mins later) is she came around the corner where my bathroom door in my bedroom is and was sorta wondering where I got off to. I tried to get her to step up on a perch but that scared her, so I backed off. Finally, about 20 mins later, she tried to climb up my dresser, using the drawer handles. She looked like she was done being angry, so I sat down on the floor near her, offered her a walnut piece and as soon as she had her beak full, asked her to step up, which she did. Then I calmly put her back on her cage and the incident was over. I did not do any more target training with her today, I've pretty much stayed out of the room. We will resume again tomorrow after a good night's sleep
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Post by Jan and Shah on Jan 5, 2016 19:48:28 GMT -5
Sorry Sharyn, but I had to laugh at your post. It must have been a big shock once she latched on to your finger. Sounds like Fruitcaique's training of you is going well
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Post by Sharyn and Mr P on Jan 5, 2016 21:28:56 GMT -5
lol yeah, it was a shock alright.It was a bigger shock that when I shook my hand and removed it from the top of her cage, she was just hanging from my hand still, with her beak latched to my finger, right above my knuckle.
I am rethinking the target training and I am going back to using a chopstick. I trained Pele the Pi with the chopstick but Daisy the Goffins was afraid of the chopstick so I used my closed fist as a target. It worked great for her. It was so convenient to do it that way because I always had my fist with me and I constantly misplaced the chopstick. Unfortunately, until I am fairly confident we will not have another rerun of this afternoon, I will be forced to use the chopstick as the target and ensure that she has to lean way forward for her treat, so she will be unable to bite.
I know I joked about it cause that's all you can do but it hurt like a son of a b*tch!!! It still hurts. She is actually lucky I had the control to gently pry her beak off me. It hurt so badly that I could've easily accidently hurt her in my effort to unlatch her from my hand!
anyway, we will take the proper care to see that does NOT happen again, at least not in that situation.
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Caique
Jan 5, 2016 21:35:34 GMT -5
Post by biteybird on Jan 5, 2016 21:35:34 GMT -5
I hope your finger is recovering...did you bleed much? That's what I'm most worried about if/when Bonnie bites me - hurting her in a startle reaction.
In my job we are taught that if someone bites us (I work with autistic children, some of whom can be violent) we should "lean into the bite" and they will disengage - but this is easier said than done and it would scare me to try it with a parrot because they are so little and their necks are vulnerable.
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Caique
Jan 6, 2016 10:30:27 GMT -5
Post by aaron on Jan 6, 2016 10:30:27 GMT -5
Eek! This sounds extremely painful! Wow... the plot thickens. Good luck with this one Sharyn!
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Post by Sharyn and Mr P on Jan 6, 2016 18:38:44 GMT -5
Yeah, it bled alot Soaked thru several bandaids. If the bone of my knuckle hadnt been there, it would've been much worse. It was one of those injuries where your skin loses all color and nothing happens at first and then the blood pours out. Fruitcaique has been fine today though. This leads me to believe that whatever happened it was something I did that got her so angry. She has stepped up several times, had taken food from my hand and she is actually calling to me with these pitiful little chirps when I walk out of the room. In behavior modification training, they use a tool called an FA (functional assessment) What this does is makes you write down exactly what happened immediately before the behavior you want to modify, the behavior itself, and what happened immediately afterward. So in this case, mine would go something like: immediately before: I put my hand on the top of her cage the behavoir would be she bit the crap out of me immediately after I shook my hand and pried her loose In a situation like this, there is really no way to correct this behavoir by turning it into something positive so the best approach is obviously to prevent it. Next time, I will either use a target (other than my fist) when I want her to go to the top of her cage, or better yet, until she is more comfortable with me, I will not lay my hand on the top of her cage. Now that I'm aware that this is her reaction, I can take steps to correct it, and really, even though I couldn't have known that her reaction would be so bad, I got careless. Anyone remember the whale that grabbed her trainer by the pony tail at seaworld and drowned her? It's the same concept
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Post by biteybird on Jan 6, 2016 20:08:26 GMT -5
Ah yes, functional behaviour assessment is used widely here too, particularly in the rollout of Positive Behaviour Support in schools (we are a number of years behind the US in this area, which seems to be 'normal' in a lot of fields). We used to use a similar thing called 'ABC' (Antecedent, Behaviour, Consequence) for data recording. I think you are approaching this in a very wise manner and will see positive results, particularly as Fruitcaique and you get to know one another better. I hope your finger starts to feel better soon. I can't really imagine you being careless, probably it was just one fraction of a second of inattention. But it sounds as though she has recovered her 'niceness' quite quickly, so whatever you did can't have been THAT bad - unfortunately your finger has paid the price.
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Caique
Jan 6, 2016 23:38:29 GMT -5
Post by Sharyn and Mr P on Jan 6, 2016 23:38:29 GMT -5
Yes, it's called ABC's here too but figured I'd just make it easier to understand by defining each one first My finger has paid the price for sure, but I am certainly not as fearless as I was before. I am very careful to not misinterpet the signs again. One thing she does though, that makes it worse is that she "beaks" the hand or finger she is going to step up on. It doesnt hurt now but it has the potential to turn into something nasty if she gets reinforced for it. Before, it didnt bother me at all because I knew she wasnt really going to bite me. Now, I wonder every time I offer her my hand if she is going to freak out and bit, or just beak a bit and step right up. I put up a brave front and dont withdraw my hand which could have really bad effects on her if all she was doing was "testing the perch". So it's an odd predicament. I'm doing some research to see what can be done about this. My ABA friend had the same issue with her parrotlett but her bird liked toys and she was able to distract him when he stepped up with a toy. That won't work for Fruitcaique, she doesnt play with toys yet.
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Caique
Jan 7, 2016 15:13:52 GMT -5
Post by aaron on Jan 7, 2016 15:13:52 GMT -5
It's got to be quite a challenge to get back in there confidently after getting such a vicious bite. I've managed to never be bitten in a manner where the bird actually latches on, thankfully. I'm sure once you've been through that it requires quite a bit more willpower to not pull back. Eek!
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Post by msdani1981 on Jan 7, 2016 21:25:45 GMT -5
I actually witnessed that kind of bite a long time ago.
I used to go to an avian supply store almost every day, and one day a customer brought her lovebird with her. She wanted to see the baby birds in the back of the store, but couldn't take her bird back there. So she assured the store owner that he was nice and asked him to hold it.
That bird nailed him, and would not let go. I'm cracking up as I'm writing this, because the mental picture is hilarious! He ran to the bathroom and stuck his hand, bird and all, under the faucet. The bird let go immediately, and the owner was so mad at him for getting her bird wet! LOL
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Caique
Jan 7, 2016 22:10:41 GMT -5
Post by biteybird on Jan 7, 2016 22:10:41 GMT -5
I am certainly not as fearless as I was beforeā¦. Before, it didnt bother me at all because I knew she wasnt really going to bite me. Now, I wonder every time I offer her my hand if she is going to freak out and bit, or just beak a bit and step right up. I know exactly what you mean. Bonnie does this to my hubby sometimes (just latches on and won't let go). She has only done it to me once, but it's definitely a case of "once bitten twice shy" for us. Recently she has been a good girl much of the time. If she moves suddenly near our hands though, I've noticed both hubby and I sometimes flinch, which we must try not to do.
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Caique
Jan 8, 2016 0:19:29 GMT -5
Post by aaron on Jan 8, 2016 0:19:29 GMT -5
Sheesh. I hope to never experience it. Sounds thoroughly painful.
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