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Post by zim on Dec 22, 2015 12:43:12 GMT -5
I've had Yoshi for a tad over three weeks now, and I thought it would be fun to make this thread and share all the ways he has surprised me. I consider myself to have done a lot of research before making the decision and purchasing him, but he has still done many things I did not expect. I'd love if long time Quaker owners would chime in as well, as maybe some things will pop up that I can prepare myself for!
1. They can make you bleed! - Sure, I had read that they can pack a mean bite, but wow I was not expecting this. Three days after I had brought Yoshi home, I opened his cage and out he flew. He roamed around the floor, and I kept a little distance, as to not make him feel cornered or threatened. He makes his way over behind my computer desk, and decides to start climbing the wires. Nope, this is a bad idea! I'm forced to pick him up, he of course holds on to a wire with both feet for dear life! Finally he lets go, then immediately goes to town chomping on my index finger as if it's a piece of tough meat he's determined to chew through. By the time I get him to his cage my finger looks like a bloody, well used chew toy that needs thrown away. Thankfully this was a one time occurance, and he hasn't bitten me hard enough again to draw blood (yet!).
2. They are very, very messy! - Yes, I read this before getting him as well. I also remember reading that buying a cage with a seed catcher surrounding it made a big difference. If that is true, I can't imagine what my floor would look like if I had purchased one without! Seriously, I clean around his cage area every two days. I roll his cage away and vacuum everything. By the day after cleaning it looks like I've neglected the area for no less than 3 months! I'm honestly having a hard time trying to figure out where it all comes from! I'm convinced he has a stash of torn up paper, seeds, and other random trash that I cannot locate, and only pulls it out to throw on the floor while I'm not looking. I'm just extremely glad I went with vinyl tile instead of carpet in here. Wow, I can't imagine the joy of cleaning up this mess on carpet.
3. They train you just as much (or more) as you train them! - I've seen people here "joke" about this. Let me tell you, they aren't joking. At all. My best example: I feed Yoshi a mix of corn, peas, green beans, and carrots daily, usually for breakfast. When I first started, he would take his sweet time and eat the insides out of the peas and discard the outside. With the green beans, he would carefully extract the bean from within and discard the rest. After a few days he decided this takes too much time, and simply threw the whole thing to the floor. So finally I started taking the beans out myself, and peeling the outside from the peas. After doing this for a couple days it finally hit me - this bird, with a brain the size of a marble, has just trained me to do its bidding. Wow.
4. They are thieves! - This one is quite funny, to me at least. As we work on learning "step up", he continually looks for ways to get a treat from my hand without doing the work of stepping up. He will go well out of his way to do so! If I'm not paying attention and have my treat hand too close to the side of his cage, instead of stepping up to the handheld perch (right under his belly), he'd rather climb across the side of his cage to try to snag the treat from my hand. And it's not like he doesn't know by now that stepping onto the perch = a treat. It baffles me as to why he would put in so much more work than he needs to just to get the treat...but he does!
5. You should wear a rain coat while they eat! - I don't know if they are all like this, but I think my little Yoshi makes a game of seeing how much of his food he can manage to get all over me. This mostly occurs with corn (which he absolutely loves). He always manages to get half of a piece of corn on the outside of his beak. After he's finished eating it (the other half...), he shakes his head to slang the remnants on his beak wherever he can. They often end up stuck to the wall, the computer monitor, or my face.
6. They will scare you and make you worry. - A fact that I somehow missed during my months of research, but was thoroughly told to me by the vet and members here - These little guys will hide sickness often until it's too late. This information has possibly made me paranoid, and anything that he does that I think might not be right has me rushing to Google to see what's going on. A few nights ago he was adjusting his crop for the first time (that I saw). I was for sure he was choking or something! This had me scared. Thanks to members here, however, my worry was put to rest.
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Post by julianna on Dec 22, 2015 14:02:51 GMT -5
All the things you say above are very true. 1. You have only bled once? Lucky you. Be ready for more. 2. Messy is putting it gently. I have to vacuum the living room and kitchen every day. I find using a lot of newspaper easier on the clean up. 3. Me trained?? NO WAY... ha ha ha ha... I think I am the best slave ever. 4. I don't know about being a thief but for sure they are very sneaky. 5. Oh yeah... rain coat. I have made myself a little wrap around that goes on both shoulders. I used to have it on all the time but now Oscar is much better about pooping on me... so I have eliminated the need. 6. I cannot tell you how many times I thought Oscar was dying and yes... adjusting the crop really frightened me as well. He also fell twice and knocked the wind out of himself... that was the worse. And one time he decided to sleep in the kitchen cage and in the morning I could not find him and I cried like a baby until I checked the kitchen. Whewwww
things to watch for? Eating your body. lol... Oscar will not stop wanting to chew every inch of me that he has access to. If I am bleeding he will lick that up too... ewwwww. Watch out for them wanting to eat your keyboard. We have all had that happen. I am still missing my delete key and this is my second keyboard.
Guess that is all for now... good luck.
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Post by wsteinhoff on Dec 22, 2015 14:26:54 GMT -5
I guess I'm lucky, besides the making you bleed part Bishop really doesn't do these things. He isn't really messy other than occasionally splashing water but that's only water. He doesn't steal things from me but he will take something if I hand it to him. And if I watch him closely enough it's easy to see wether he's feeling well or not rather than him hiding it. He also doesn't chew on me or my keyboard (just occasionally my shirt) or try to lick my blood as Julianna had said. But then if he ever wants to do something he'll do it and he sure is noisy.
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Post by siobhan on Dec 22, 2015 14:47:02 GMT -5
I used to think the other parrots were messy, and loud, and bit hard ... until I got Rocky 'Too. Mind you, they ARE messy, and noisy, and they bite and sometimes I bleed, but they got NOTHIN' on Rocky. He's been very nice about not pooping on me, and his bites are more like pinching (but still leave interesting bruises). However, I've seen what he can do when he does want to maim, the bites he gave his daddy until Hubby decided to let me do all the handling of Rocky and he just pets and offers treats and toys. My very worst Quaker bite can't compare. Thank goodness Rocky doesn't bite as often as the Quakers. I got bitten half a dozen times last night and most of the bites were from Clyde, who wanted head scritches and bit me for obeying.
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Post by beccilouise on Dec 22, 2015 16:21:46 GMT -5
Hahaha, I've been REALL LUCKY and not been bitten badly by Byron (yet!) but he's only 7 months old and we've got the whooooole of puberty so I'm not kidding myself! Have you had the tantrums yet? These guys are experts! Talk about a noise beyond reason! Byron's settling down now, but boy can he make noise if he's wants to!
With regard to the making you worry, yes, they do. And they're very little and sickness doesn't take long to irreparably damage them. If in doubt, just take him to the vet. I was terrified the first time Byron regurgitated food at me, rushed him to the vet, who said 'it's fine, he just loves you!' but £20 for the vet to tell you everything is fine is definitely a better price than losing your bird! Having said that, the guys on this forum are AMAZING and have helped me out with SO MANY worries and concerns. There are some really good books you can get to help you with this, including a book called the parrotlopoedia, which has a list of loads of illnesses and health issues along with their symptoms. However, provided they are taken care of properly, these birds are hardy little critters. I will always just take Byron to the vet if I'm concerned. I've only had him 2 months and he's already been twice! He's also registered with two vets just in case the exotics vet at one surgery isn't available.
Also, tea towels are so useful. I have a whole bundle that I drape over our coffee table while Byron eats! He lives in the same room as the rabbit, so I vacuum every day anyway, but yes, they like to decorate everything with their dinner! Best of luck, you're doing great!
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Post by cnyguy on Dec 22, 2015 21:29:20 GMT -5
The general rule is that the larger the parrot, the louder the voice, the bigger the mess, the harder the bites-- but there are exceptions to every rule, and Quakers can be good at making exceptions. Ralph isn't quite as messy as George the YCA was, but is more creative at spreading the mess around. He's not nearly as loud as George, but his bites are every bit as hard.
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Post by Jan and Shah on Dec 23, 2015 0:51:34 GMT -5
After reading all these comments, I have decided that Shah is Mr Perfect - only kidding
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Post by easttex on Dec 23, 2015 4:49:45 GMT -5
One thing I was not prepared for with my first parrot, a lovebird, was how quickly and how deeply I fell in love. A co-worker said I was besotted, and I've always thought that was a perfect description. As for the mess, it's all relative. If you want a real cleaning challenge, get a parrot with powder down feathers. Greys, cockatoos and cockatiels are the ones I know of. They have special insulating feathers that are constantly growing and disintegrating into "dandruff", and it gets everywhere. When Allie shakes after preening, she launches visible clouds of dust into the air. She also likes to toss her food out to the dog. Peppy's mess does not compare. And except for one unfortunate incident involving my husband irritating Peppy while on my shoulder, he has not bitten me for a long time. He will beak me when he wants me to stop doing something, and I heed his signals. I don't mean to brag, but I would have to call him a Gentleman Quaker.
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Post by bruce on Dec 23, 2015 12:33:04 GMT -5
Messy is definitely a part of living with a QP . Chuckie forcibly ejects food that he doesn't like from the cage, sometimes a surprising distance. He also is very bipolar about treats, one day he will devour a nut, the next day he will drop it and look at me with a "you are nuts" expression. And, much to my amazement, he is lifting his whole food cup out of the ring it sits in and dumping it onto the bottom of his "house". Given that the food cup and the "anti poop in food cover" is almost as large as he is, I didn't think this would become an issue. As I mentioned elsewhere, Chuck was a very set in his ways bird when I inherited him. And I have the scars to show from his nips. It has been a challenge for me to learn not to react in any way when he nips. One action that serves pretty well as a intervention when he starts getting too aggressive when he is perching on my finger or arm is to shake gently. This distracts him because he has to find his balance. Zim, you may find that Yoshi starts play grooming your hand and fingers. Chuckie will even gently grab hold of my fingers and start talking. Please continue to share Yoshi's adventures with the forum, I for one enjoy reading them.
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Post by zim on Dec 23, 2015 16:46:30 GMT -5
Zim, you may find that Yoshi starts play grooming your hand and fingers. Yep, he's already been doing this. He still shys away from my hand when I move it near him, but if I leave my hand near him really still, he gets curious enough that he comes over and starts exploring it with his beak. I think when I jumped into taking him away from his cage to practice "step up", I stepped too far outside of his comfort zone. He still doesn't want to be away from his cage, and any attempt I make (which I haven't in a couple days) to take him away from it usually results in him trying to fly back to the cage right as we are walking away, and him ending up in the floor. For the past couple days I've just let him be out of his cage. He climbs up to the top and plays up there for hours, or just perches up there and watches me. I am curious, however, if this isn't a good idea since he is much higher than me. I don't want him to start thinking he is boss. Heck, who am I kidding, he will always be boss, won't he?
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Post by siobhan on Dec 23, 2015 19:58:27 GMT -5
Yes, he will. LOL Might as well get used to it. My 'too was terrified to be away from his cage for a long time and I didn't push it. I tried taking a few steps and when he got agitated, I stopped and we stayed there. It took a long time, but bit by bit he got over it. Let the bird be the guide. Push just a little bit, but not too much. You want him to trust you and your judgment. And I've read in multiple places that it's a myth about letting them be higher up than you are. Mine have multiple places to get that are higher than my head and it doesn't change their behavior. They're going to be bratty either way!
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Post by biteybird on Dec 23, 2015 22:14:19 GMT -5
Hahaha...as I was reading your list I was mentally checking off the things that Bonnie does - a tick for every one except the last. She hasn't yet scared us TOO much, thank goodness (although once she drank some water with detergent in it and didn't look great for a couple of hours. Of course this was on a Public Holiday, so no vets were open).
The main things that jump out at me where Bonnie is concerned are: * Noise: QPs are attention seekers and, apparently, it's all about them. Be prepared for some squawkiness...Bonnie can go for hours squawking at 2-3 second intervals. When she first wakes in the morning she only does it at 5-8 second intervals (sheer bliss compared to the rest of the day). * Computers: close your laptop lid if you're not right beside it! (mine has ESC, Delete and several Function keys loose/missing) Bonnie's also fascinated by the HDMI port and constantly tries to prise it apart, in between covert manoeuvres to chew cords, when she thinks I'm not watching. Also cover your desktop computer keyboard and webcam. * TV remotes: turn them upside down if you want the rubber buttons to be readable and useable. * Poop: Anything is fair game; only limited by your QP's imagination. Bonnie's favourite places to poop are newly-washed clothes and the screen of my laptop, also on our new leather recliner lounge. * Food: Almonds and cashews will regularly be shredded into millions of shards, which instantly end up in the tiniest household crevices you could imagine. Vacuuming is useless (that's MY excuse, LOL), so embrace the agony of a constantly messy floor, furniture and appliances. Sticky foods like corn kernels, peas and sultanas/dried fruit stuck on your QP's beak will be wiped off onto clean surfaces, flicked across immense distances or simply tossed aside nonchalantly by a foot when he/she has finished with them.
* Stealing things: Offer our QP something to eat and she is not interested...but leave the same thing covered with plastic wrap on a kitchen bench and it becomes the most attractive item on earth. Lesson=if you want him/her to try something new just put it on the bench and APPEAR not to be attentive (just watch that they don't ingest plastic stuff).
The only thing I can think of adding is that I was not prepared for the utter disdain with which Bonnie treats us. However, she is also very affectionate, when she isn't being a royal pain in the a**.
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Post by easttex on Dec 24, 2015 5:47:11 GMT -5
* Stealing things: Offer our QP something to eat and she is not interested...but leave the same thing covered with plastic wrap on a kitchen bench and it becomes the most attractive item on earth. Lesson=if you want him/her to try something new just put it on the bench and APPEAR not to be attentive (just watch that they don't ingest plastic stuff.
This makes me think of my dog, Wanda. She's a very picky eater, and will spurn even things like bits of prime rib that my husband shares with her. (Aggravates him no end.) But let one of the birds toss anything outside the cage, and she's all over it, as if it's nectar and ambrosia. If I'm in the kitchen and say "uh oh", she comes tearing in, frantically searching for what I've dropped.
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Post by zim on Dec 24, 2015 10:09:07 GMT -5
* Stealing things: Offer our QP something to eat and she is not interested...but leave the same thing covered with plastic wrap on a kitchen bench and it becomes the most attractive item on earth. Lesson=if you want him/her to try something new just put it on the bench and APPEAR not to be attentive (just watch that they don't ingest plastic stuff.
This makes me think of my dog, Wanda. She's a very picky eater, and will spurn even things like bits of prime rib that my husband shares with her. (Aggravates him no end.) But let one of the birds toss anything outside the cage, and she's all over it, as if it's nectar and ambrosia. If I'm in the kitchen and say "uh oh", she comes tearing in, frantically searching for what I've dropped. My parents have a Toy Poodle who does something like this. He ALWAYS wants a piece of what you are eating, but rarely likes it after you've given him a piece. So after he gets a piece, and decides he doesn't like it / want it, you can call for the cat as if you're gonna give his piece to the cat. Once he thinks the cat is gonna get it, he eats it with haste! Quite amusing.
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Post by aaron on Dec 24, 2015 21:55:28 GMT -5
Haha... loved this post. I've always really underestimated the intelligence of Cupcake... Of course they always tell you that parrots are smart, but until you have lived with one, you don't really understand the breadth of their smarts. One of my favorite parts of having a QP. Another thing they don't tell you is how sensitive to your moods these birds are. This can be cool, but also a challenge if you are having a bad day and aren't good at hiding it Good grief do they destroy remotes. All of our remotes look like a total disaster now.
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