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Post by msdani1981 on Jul 2, 2014 17:00:14 GMT -5
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DANGER! ORGANIC BEDDING
Christine A. Cannon,DVM
The Northwest Bird Club
Aviculturists have a new headache to watch out for, Organic bedding. We've been seeing birds die of grit impactions for years now, as we slowly (but hopefully) get the information out to the bird-owning public. Now, we have new killers.
I had a breeder find her male Severe Macaw dead one morning. She had had the bird for about a year. He had sired 12 fertile eggs during that year and had been observed feeding his mate the evening before his death. Fortunately for us, the breeder is one of those who is willing to have necropsies done on her birds, so if there is anything to learn from a bird's death, we will. When we opened the bird's body we discovered that there were signs of bleeding into the bowel. The gizzard and proventriculus were both distended with bloody food and small corn cob bedding. There was so much cob in there that there was very little room for food. Like grit, the corn cob bedding was inert and stayed in the gizzard. Unlike grit, the stuff swelled. This bird had not had access to corn cob bedding for over a year.
Another notable necropsy was an Amazon that died suddenly. His proventriculus was thickened and his bowel, just past the gizzard, showed gross evidence of bleeding. His gizzard was FULL of walnut shell bedding. He had access to the bedding for a few hours, a month before death.
A survivor that had also only had two hours of access to walnut shell bedding was seen at the clinic for off and on eating and off and on depression for five days. Fecal content of the droppings was decreased and black in color. His urates (the whites) and urine (the clear liquid) were normal. The bird had been observed to be choking or trying to regurgitate and then vomit the evening before presentation.
Blood work indicated that the bird was fighting off an infection or inflammation. The history and physical indicated that he probably had a bowel obstruction. The owner declined X-rays and barium series and would not have opted for surgery if the problem was a tumor, so we attempted medical therapy. With laxatives and antibiotics, the bird started passing more volume feces in his droppings. It took more than 48 hours to get rid of bowel bleeding.
An 8 week old Senegal baby started to regurgitate and have variable crop emptying time. The next day, the baby passed bloody droppings. We started antibiotics and he improved for 24 hours. Then he started to pass walnut shell bedding in his droppings -- 3 to 6 pieces per dropping. He had been parent-raised for his first sixteen days.
His parents were in a cage over a tray of walnut shell bedding that was thought to be out of reach, due to a cage bottom grill. That is as close as the young one got to the bedding. After three days of treatment, he had a dropping containing about fifteen pieces of the bedding... and DIED.
So please, don't risk your bird's life. Not just babies eat cage bottom materials. Adults can, and do, as well. And birds of all ages can die from that behavior. So, NO WALNUT SHELL BEDDING, NO CORN COB BEDDING and NO KITTY LITTER. Plain old newspaper, paper towels, brown paper bags, etc., work just fine. You can see and evaluate daily droppings, catching any changes before the problem is overwhelming. Color, size, consistency and number of droppings are all VERY important. Sure, it's easier to keep clean if you only change bedding once a week or so, but who knows what's going on with the droppings if they can't see them?
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Post by msdani1981 on Jul 2, 2014 17:01:45 GMT -5
Andie Wan Kenobi White & Nerdy Forum Manager 9,914 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:spokane WA Country:US Posted 28 April 2005 - 09:06 AM That is great info! Thanks Majj! "Natural" is not always "good". Like This Andie and the Gang Love your pets, Thank a breeder. Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #3 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #3] Jillybean Adv Member Members 2,399 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Orland Park, IL Country:USA Posted 28 April 2005 - 09:08 AM WOW! Thanks for the info! I just recently decided to take the COB litter out of the cage, now this is more the reason too! Thanks again! Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #4 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #4] debmcf Adv Member Members 95 posts 0 warning points Location:Elk City Oklahoma USA Posted 28 April 2005 - 05:13 PM OH MY GOSH!! I am using corn cob bedding--I SO MUCH APPRECIATE YOU GUYS--I am dumping that crap right this minute--I have used it since I brought Boomer home --fro about 3 months--I hope I have not hurt him!!!-I thought I was doing the best cleanest thing gotta go dumpt it NOWWWW Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #5 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #5] Dee The Boys! Admin 10,165 posts Location:Prince Edward Island Country:Canada Posted 29 April 2005 - 09:51 AM Thanks Majj ... That was really interesting .. Like This ~Dee~ Perky - CAG || SmñÂgol - QP || Chuck - Lab || Bruce - Bulldogge || Saxon - Bulldogge Posted Image An African Grey Forum Living and Learning Parrots -- It's All About the Birds "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." ~ Albert Einstein ~ Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #6 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #6] Sweetie38 Adv Member Members 1,764 posts 0 warning points Location:Chicago IL Country:United States Posted 29 April 2005 - 01:43 PM Thanks for posting that Majj! I am sure there are a ton of people on this site that don't know about the danagers of bedding in cages...... smile.gif Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #7 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #7] Myste Adv Member Members 79 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Earth, I think Posted 12 May 2005 - 01:26 PM No more corn cob bedding for Paulie. I have trouble with her eating off the bottom of her cage. Myste Like This Paulie has trained me well. Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #8 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #8] Uncle Zippy BCON=Beer Coming Out Nose Members 7,548 posts 0 warning points Location:Canada Country:Canada Posted 12 May 2005 - 05:52 PM We use a cob type litter for our birds. This stuff is actually chicken feed in cob form. We only use it under the bird trees, not in cages. They only have access to it when they take a leap and wind up on the floor, and we're usually there right away when this happens. I was told its food grade and shouldn't pose a health problem. Is this the same stuff as in the article? It's just soooo much easier to keep clean using this stuff. BUt of course health comes first. Thoughts? Like This Maya - QP Oliver - Blue Headed Pionus "You have to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight"-Bruce Cockburn- "I don't know. A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof, and when you have a good proof, It's because it's proven" -Former Prime Minister Of Canada, Jean Cretien- Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #9 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #9] shellpointer Adv Member Members 344 posts 0 warning points Location:florida Country:USA Posted 13 May 2005 - 06:28 AM Oh dear. For the last few days, Pepper has been eating out of my bowl of Wheatabix which is an organic cereal. I like it because it gets all mushey. Do you think that is dangerous for him? Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #10 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #10] ~BettyK~ aka: petGroomer51 Members 10,395 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Junction City, OR Country:USA Posted 13 May 2005 - 09:17 AM The cerial its self won't hurt as long as it isn't high sugar...but the milk is not good for fids they can not digest it...I would try to give it dry..smile.gif Like This Posted Image Posted Image QP: Miss Bobbie QP: Misty CAG: Lucy (my daughters baby)whom I live with and adore  3 cats(Isis, Apollo, Aries 2-Poms Jake and Joey 14 and 15 y/o Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #11 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #11] Arlene aka irish Members 185 posts 0 warning points Location:Post Falls, Idaho Posted 13 May 2005 - 10:26 PM QUOTE (Majj @ Apr 28 2005, 06:43 AM) sad.gif DANGER! ORGANIC BEDDING Christine A. Cannon,DVM The Northwest Bird Club Aviculturists have a new headache to watch out for, Organic bedding. We've been seeing birds die of grit impactions for years now, as we slowly (but hopefully) get the information out to the bird-owning public. Now, we have new killers. I had a breeder find her male Severe Macaw dead one morning. She had had the bird for about a year. He had sired 12 fertile eggs during that year and had been observed feeding his mate the evening before his death. Fortunately for us, the breeder is one of those who is willing to have necropsies done on her birds, so if there is anything to learn from a bird's death, we will. When we opened the bird's body we discovered that there were signs of bleeding into the bowel. The gizzard and proventriculus were both distended with bloody food and small corn cob bedding. There was so much cob in there that there was very little room for food. Like grit, the corn cob bedding was inert and stayed in the gizzard. Unlike grit, the stuff swelled. This bird had not had access to corn cob bedding for over a year. Another notable necropsy was an Amazon that died suddenly. His proventriculus was thickened and his bowel, just past the gizzard, showed gross evidence of bleeding. His gizzard was FULL of walnut shell bedding. He had access to the bedding for a few hours, a month before death. A survivor that had also only had two hours of access to walnut shell bedding was seen at the clinic for off and on eating and off and on depression for five days. Fecal content of the droppings was decreased and black in color. His urates (the whites) and urine (the clear liquid) were normal. The bird had been observed to be choking or trying to regurgitate and then vomit the evening before presentation. Blood work indicated that the bird was fighting off an infection or inflammation. The history and physical indicated that he probably had a bowel obstruction. The owner declined X-rays and barium series and would not have opted for surgery if the problem was a tumor, so we attempted medical therapy. With laxatives and antibiotics, the bird started passing more volume feces in his droppings. It took more than 48 hours to get rid of bowel bleeding. An 8 week old Senegal baby started to regurgitate and have variable crop emptying time. The next day, the baby passed bloody droppings. We started antibiotics and he improved for 24 hours. Then he started to pass walnut shell bedding in his droppings -- 3 to 6 pieces per dropping. He had been parent-raised for his first sixteen days. His parents were in a cage over a tray of walnut shell bedding that was thought to be out of reach, due to a cage bottom grill. That is as close as the young one got to the bedding. After three days of treatment, he had a dropping containing about fifteen pieces of the bedding... and DIED. So please, don't risk your bird's life. Not just babies eat cage bottom materials. Adults can, and do, as well. And birds of all ages can die from that behavior. So, NO WALNUT SHELL BEDDING, NO CORN COB BEDDING and NO KITTY LITTER. Plain old newspaper, paper towels, brown paper bags, etc., work just fine. You can see and evaluate daily droppings, catching any changes before the problem is overwhelming. Color, size, consistency and number of droppings are all VERY important. Sure, it's easier to keep clean if you only change bedding once a week or so, but who knows what's going on with the droppings if they can't see them? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well one more thing to worry about. The **** pet store said to use corncob in the bottom of the cage. I never saw my quaker eat any of it. There is at least an inch or more space between the bottom of the tray and the grid on top. Actually I didn't use it long, I had swtiched to paper on the bottom and then switched to paper on the grid after someone said the birds don't bother tearing it up. It works perfectly. I change it at least twice a day. Thank you Majj for this IMPORTANT info. Really appreciate it. 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Brody the Grey Lisa Members 1,779 posts 0 warning points Location:McKinney, TX Country:USA Posted 13 May 2005 - 10:53 PM I never use the stuff. And I am glad I did not. Just plan newspaper for my boys. Like This Posted Image In Loving Memory, Hurricane Katrina took the lives of my babies, Zeta, Pretty Boy, Ivory, Snoopy, and Doogie. September 3,2005... I also miss my two Caiques, Rocco and Knuckles, and my Quaker, Gumby. Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #13 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #13] shellpointer Adv Member Members 344 posts 0 warning points Location:florida Country:USA Posted 14 May 2005 - 12:26 PM QUOTE (petGroomer51 @ May 13 2005, 11:17 AM) The cerial its self won't hurt as long as it isn't high sugar...but the milk is not good for fids they can not digest it...I would try to give it dry..smile.gif <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Cool Whip is non dairy. Pepper loves it. What do you think about that? Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #14 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #14] ~BettyK~ aka: petGroomer51 Members 10,395 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Junction City, OR Country:USA Posted 14 May 2005 - 04:05 PM Still have sugar...so be careful smile.gif Like This Posted Image Posted Image QP: Miss Bobbie QP: Misty CAG: Lucy (my daughters baby)whom I live with and adore 3 cats(Isis, Apollo, Aries 2-Poms Jake and Joey 14 and 15 y/o Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #15 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #15] Guest_lthompson1_* Guests Posted 15 May 2005 - 08:24 PM never used anything but paper on the bottom of the cage before, but yesterday I bought Wood Pellets, all purpose 100% nautral, made by Kaytee. Any thoughts on this product??? Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #16 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #16] PacosMom Adv Member Members 8,008 posts 0 warning points Location:Central Illinois Country:USA Posted 16 May 2005 - 12:34 PM I would be afraid of anything like this, unless there is no chance of contact at all with it. If he ingests it, it can still be hazardous, even if it's 100% natural. Newspaper is still the safest, and least expensive. It's quick and easy to change daily, so no bacteria has a chance to grow, and the ink is known to retard the growth of bacteria, too. When you purchase this type of product, you are often tempted to not clean it daily, allowing bacteria and mold to grow. Just my opinion. I like using free papers, best. Like This Posted Image Gail, Pacos Mom Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #17 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #17] pepe Adv Member Members 1,281 posts 0 warning points Location:Florida's Treasure Coast Posted 17 May 2005 - 06:53 PM What about peanut shells? Like This Pepita violet chicken~QP may she rest in peace Mellie Melven roopooh~Rhodesian ridgeback may she be at peace with the Chicken Miss Patches and Miss Peaches~ Guinea pig Mom and daughter Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #18 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #18] Guest_lthompson1_* Guests Posted 17 May 2005 - 07:30 PM QUOTE (PacosMom @ May 16 2005, 02:34 PM) I would be afraid of anything like this, unless there is no chance of contact at all with it. If he ingests it, it can still be hazardous, even if it's 100% natural. Newspaper is still the safest, and least expensive. It's quick and easy to change daily, so no bacteria has a chance to grow, and the ink is known to retard the growth of bacteria, too. When you purchase this type of product, you are often tempted to not clean it daily, allowing bacteria and mold to grow. Just my opinion. I like using free papers, best. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I threw out the wood pellets. Not worth the chance. Thanks for the advise. Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #19 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #19] ~BettyK~ aka: petGroomer51 Members 10,395 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Junction City, OR Country:USA Posted 17 May 2005 - 08:05 PM I use wood stove pellets for litter boxes it is the best litter I have ever used...one bag last me a month with 7 cats and after you remove all the poop and the pellets brake down to saw dust I put it in the gardens...smile.gif but not a good idea for birds...JMO Like This Posted Image Posted Image QP: Miss Bobbie QP: Misty CAG: Lucy (my daughters baby)whom I live with and adore 3 cats(Isis, Apollo, Aries 2-Poms Jake and Joey 14 and 15 y/o Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #20 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #20] Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 15 August 2005 - 05:58 PM Bumping for newbys.. Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report |
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Post by msdani1981 on Jul 2, 2014 17:03:54 GMT -5
Pilsner'smom Adv Member Members 49 posts 0 warning points Location:Livingston, South Carolina Posted 19 August 2005 - 10:31 PM I use newspaper that's recycled and then shredded, I think it's called Kritter Litter, or something close. If it's not full sheets, is it dangerous? Should I start using sheets of newspaper instead of the recycled and processed newspaper? Lyndsey Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #22 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #22] ~BettyK~ aka: petGroomer51 Members 10,395 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Junction City, OR Country:USA Posted 20 August 2005 - 09:08 AM I would use full sheets...JMO Like This Posted Image Posted Image QP: Miss Bobbie QP: Misty CAG: Lucy (my daughters baby)whom I live with and adore 3 cats(Isis, Apollo, Aries 2-Poms Jake and Joey 14 and 15 y/o Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #23 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #23] Roxanne Laughter through tears is my favorite emotion Members 2,410 posts 0 warning points Location:Schaumburg, IL Country:USA Posted 20 August 2005 - 12:38 PM Thanks for the info Majj! I have newspaper in the bottom of Babys cage, but corncob in the tray under his gym. Going to definately get rid of it! Like This Posted Image Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. -Dr. Seuss Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #24 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #24] Brian Adv Member Members 51 posts 0 warning points Posted 26 August 2005 - 06:35 AM QUOTE (shellpointer @ May 13 2005, 08:28 AM) Oh dear. For the last few days, Pepper has been eating out of my bowl of Wheatabix which is an organic cereal. I like it because it gets all mushey. Do you think that is dangerous for him? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Soy milk is ok in small quantities. The cereal shoudn't be harmful. Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #25 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #25] Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 27 August 2005 - 05:32 AM I like using full sheets easy to keep an eye on any change in poops and easy to roll up a sheet at a time when messy (I lay lots of layers down a whole newspaper at a time ).. My boys share my porridge every morning I am sure your cereal is fine ... Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #26 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #26] night Adv Member Members 128 posts 0 warning points Location:houston Posted 28 August 2005 - 02:41 PM this is one thing i am really not liking about zupreem. he literally craps a rainbow depending on what pellets he happens to grab the most of. orange red and green. he doesnt like the bananas. but im kinda having a hard time judging his poop and watching his consistency. he was eating roudy with the breeder, and for the past week its been only zupreem plus some cracker. he hasnt taken to fruit yet. the important part is basically a solid center and urine outer right? what about frequency? also sometimes between what i would expect is his normal poop, he drops what looks like mostly water, smaller amount than a regular drop. but he has started dipping the zupreem pellets in water apparently to make them softer. so i was assuming that was the extra water he's pooping maybe i should make this a new thread.. Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #27 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #27] Brian Adv Member Members 51 posts 0 warning points Posted 30 August 2005 - 10:56 AM The colored pellets are actually designed so that you can tell they're eating them when they poop. However, artificial colors are not good for people and they are not good for birds. Our bodies do not know how to break them down. A bird's poop will vary greatly depending on how much water they consume, including high water foods like fruit and veggies. it is normal for their poop to be more runny after they eat these things. Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #28 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #28] Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 27 September 2005 - 07:29 AM Bumping again this is important info for new fid owners....IMO Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #29 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #29] Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 18 November 2005 - 12:44 AM Bumping up again for new members... Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #30 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #30] Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 26 March 2006 - 05:13 AM Bump.. Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report |
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Post by msdani1981 on Jul 2, 2014 17:04:47 GMT -5
Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 13 April 2006 - 04:22 AM Bumping again important information for new members, Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #32 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #32] NewQuakerMom Adv Member Members 1,110 posts 0 warning points Location:Massapequa Park, NY Posted 13 April 2006 - 06:42 AM What a horrible story! I think it should be posted in all pet stores so no one will buy that stuff anymore. Besides, newspaper is so cheap, easy to change, and helps slow the growth of microorganisms. Can't get much better than that! Like This Posted Image Our zoo: Liam: 1 year old Quaker Parrot Noel: 1 year old Sun Conure Snuggle: 10 year old Jenday Conure Oscar: 3 year old Nanday Conure Sonny: 6 year old African Grey Rosie, Brownie, and Flopsie: Ferrets (exact ages unknown) Kazuki: Crowntail Betta Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #33 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #33] echo Adv Member Members 1,417 posts 0 warning points Gender:Not Telling Country:United States Posted 13 April 2006 - 08:16 AM What the heck is bumping? Thanks for the info on cage lining. We thought we were just being cheap - using news paper. laugh.gif Echo sends his regards to all the Quakers! Especially Twizzlebeak! Like This Echo's Blog ~ Rantings of a Crazy Quaker 580438242463324642.weebly.com/ Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #34 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #34] Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 25 April 2006 - 07:04 AM Bumping is when a good informational post gets a long way down (over the page ) and I want to bring it back to the top so new members can read up on helpful info..so here we go again BUMP..lol Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #35 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #35] Kermie and flock Adv Member Members 207 posts 0 warning points Location:Edmonton, AB Canada Posted 25 April 2006 - 12:33 PM Thanks for the info--I had heard this before and do not use litter. Only b&w newspaper. But lately I have stopped lining the bottom with newspaper and just leave the tray. When I change(d) the paper (every morning and usually again at night) I also ended up washing the tray because there was poop on the sides. So now I just wash the tray. Any thoughts on this? Should I go back to lining with newspaper? Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #36 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #36] Guest_Chelle_* Guests Posted 25 April 2006 - 03:29 PM "after you remove all the poop and the pellets brake down to saw dust I put it in the gardens" I'd be very careful about the sawdust as it has had contact with feline fecal matter and can contaminate your food. Feline feces carry quite a few illnesses which are transferable to humans. Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #37 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #37] Guest_TheDude_* Guests Posted 26 April 2006 - 06:54 PM QUOTE (petGroomer51 @ May 17 2005, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I use wood stove pellets for litter boxes it is the best litter I have ever used...one bag last me a month with 7 cats and after you remove all the poop and the pellets brake down to saw dust I put it in the gardens...smile.gif but not a good idea for birds...JMO yea but thats for cats...birds like to at the very least chew on these things... i use news paper and will never use anything else... i mean common a sunday paper cost 1.75 and that lasts more then a week so in my opinion its cheaper... Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #38 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #38] Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 08 July 2006 - 07:40 AM Bumping for new fid owners to read.. Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #39 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #39] Guest_Chelle_* Guests Posted 08 July 2006 - 01:22 PM that's why I stick with newspapers! Cheap (we don't even buy them, the neighbors are thrilled I take what I need and recycle the rest for them). As far as peanut shells, isn't there some fungus that can be on them? Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #40 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #40] Quakerlove Quakerlove Members 406 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Sarnia, Ontario Country:Canada Posted 09 July 2006 - 01:15 PM I use shavings in my cages, is that bad? Like This Welcome to my zoo!! QUAKER PARROT: Couveigh 10yrs COCKATOO: Rosie 17yrs COCKATEIL: Niki 2yrs, DOG: Baylee (Golden Retriever) 13yrs Juno (White German Shepherd) 3mths CATS: Cala 11yrs, Boo 6yrs, Harley 1yr, Qadesh 9mths. Finnigan 4mths Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report |
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Post by msdani1981 on Jul 2, 2014 17:05:56 GMT -5
Guest_hrtofau2_* Guests Posted 09 July 2006 - 02:44 PM I bought a bag of the walnut shell bedding for use in the play gyms...Especially my one that is a pain the butt to clean. Like everyone else..I thought it was safe. (I scoop it daily change weekly). Guess I should go throw it out in my garden. blink.gif Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #42 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #42] huey B Quaker Geraldine Members 1,880 posts 0 warning points Location:Sunshine Coast QLD. Australia Posted 09 July 2006 - 04:43 PM Wow very good information, thanks. tongue.gif Like This Hi from Huey and Geraldine. 1 quaker...Huey 3 budgies...Snowy, Betty and Frank 1 cat...Tom Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #43 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #43] Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 04 August 2006 - 07:39 AM Bumping this for new fid owners its a very important topic... Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #44 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #44] snugglbutt Adv Member Members 4,059 posts 0 warning points Posted 06 August 2006 - 04:35 PM Thanks for bumping this Majj. I was actually considering using some sort of litter for my guys, at least in Jojo's sleep cage. The stinker shreds the paper on the bottom every night...makes a mess of biblical porportions in their sleep room. Between his feather dust and the itty bitty shreds he makes... wacko.gif I've taken to removing the paper and just using the tray. I take it out and wipe it down every morning. Still has a lot of dust, but no shredded paper all over the room. Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #45 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #45] patty for Lucky Adv Member Members 46 posts 0 warning points Posted 06 August 2006 - 04:35 PM Thank you!!! I've had Lucky about a month. When I realized I was his new mom, I ran to the pet store and spent a fortune. So far, I've had to replace or toss the vitamins, the CAGE!, the food, and now the bedding (which I use in the tray under the grid.) They gave me so much BAD advice... The irony is, I thought the bedding was working great, so I not only bought two more bags, I ordered and just received a huge bag (25 lbs, I think!) so I wouldn't have to keep buying the bags.... The pet store is the only resource for so many people. It makes me very upset they are either uneducated or unethical when they offer guidance!!! Thanks again for the info. Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #46 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #46] zoohouse Adv Member Members 1,038 posts 0 warning points Location:Salmon Arm, B.C. Posted 06 August 2006 - 04:54 PM Thanks for the information. I use would shavings, and pack them down so that they can't be reached. Is this something I should get rid of? unsure.gif Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #47 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #47] Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 06 August 2006 - 05:52 PM I guess if they are below the grate and can`t be reached they would be o.k ...maybe someone else has a comment ... I still think Newspaper is the best option I roll put a lot down and just roll a sheet up each morning , you can also SEE the poop and sometimes this is the first sign of something wrong with the bird.... Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #48 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #48] Arkali Ruby's mama Members 281 posts 0 warning points Location:North Louisiana, USA Posted 07 August 2006 - 09:01 AM Thanks Majj! On a related note (and the reason I no longer trust pet stores) - when I was growing up I had hamsters, and always kept them on wood shavings. Then as an adult, I got another hamster. She died, choking, in my hand. After she'd passed, I pried her little mouth open and pulled what looked like a wad of shavings out of her mouth. It was only a piece or two, but it's not like hamsters are large. So, I got another hamster. This little guy, too, died of the SAME thing. So I got another hamster AND called a small animal vet (took several vets to find one that knew jack about hamsters). Here's a synopsis of what he said: 1) He told me how to administer a hamster heimlich. 2) He said that while choking on shavings isn't a frequent thing, it happened "more often than you would think". 3) He advised AGAINST putting hamsters on wood shavings and recommended the recycled paper pulp (it's gray looking - about the color of a plain jane drink carrier from a fast food place) 4) Confused, I said "But the pet stores have them on shavings!" His reply? It's because the shavings companies GIVE them FREE shavings as a way to promote their product. Sooo... I'd stay away from wood shavings. Thanks again, Majj! Great article! Like This Miss Ruby Rose Brought home July 6, 2006 (2 yrs. old) Wrapped her humans around her little toe in 2 seconds flat... (Picture soon, I hope  Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #49 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #49] Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 15 December 2006 - 05:16 AM Bumping to front for new members... Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #50 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #50] icedoll Adv Member Members 73 posts 0 warning points Posted 15 December 2006 - 06:39 AM yikes! I use paper too but... Skeeter loves corn. I have given him pieces of corn on the cob before - is that safe to do? How about this one??......... I took a cob - dried it - cut it into 1/2 in pieces and threaded those thru a home made wood ring for him to chew on - safe??? Like This If a bird is flying for pleasure, it flies with the wind, but if it meets danger it turns and faces the wind, in order that it may rise higher. (Corrie Ten Boom) Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report |
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Post by msdani1981 on Jul 2, 2014 17:07:28 GMT -5
Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 15 December 2006 - 06:42 AM I am pretty sure its o.k to give corn on the cob most all of us here do it its one of the fids favorites .... Just don`t use it as acovering for the bottom of your cage.... Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #52 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #52] Cheekys mum Adv Member Members 6,032 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Texas Country:USA Posted 15 December 2006 - 07:43 AM I am so glad you put this post up! I use paper towels and hopefully that is ok! Cheeks dosent really bother with it a whole lot blush.gif Like This Posted Image I'd rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't than to live my life as if there is no God and die to find out there is! Little faith will bring your souls to heaven, but great faith will bring heaven to your souls! Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #53 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #53] Guest_IMPduJour_* Guests Posted 15 December 2006 - 08:14 AM great article I really found it interesting. I agree with it 100% too. Besides alot of those bedding materials seem to be dusty too when you pour them and I am sure the birds must breathe it in yet I see it in alot of petshops for sale as well as in the actual birds cages which are much different than ours..the birds actually walk on the bedding and I see them pecking at it etc... Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #54 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #54] XxPixiexX Adv Member Members 106 posts 0 warning points Location:Normal, Illinois Posted 07 January 2007 - 02:23 PM Does anyone know if Aspen bedding is okay? I just got my Quaker Jack yesterday and he was being kept on CEDAR! ICK! I know thats dangerous so I put him on Aspen since I have pet rats...Is this okay? She said he will eat newspaper and paper towels... Like This Posted Image www.pixiesworld.comPixie's World is my rattery. I am also owned by: Bridgette the dog - 11 years old Joxer the cat - 7 years old Binx the cat - 2 years old and recently adopted Quaker, Jack - 5 1/2 years old Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #55 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #55] Jodi L. Adv Member Members 76 posts 0 warning points Location:Bemidji MN USA Posted 13 January 2007 - 11:35 AM you know- Me and some others have taken to getting rid of the grate on the bottom, and going bare-bottom. You just have to take a wet washcloth to it every day... you don't have to worry about shreded paper, eating things they shouldn't, getting sick from stuff. the only problem is that they have ready access to thier droppings, but many birds don't really care about it that much, and if you keep up on the cleanings, its fine. Just bring two washcloths with you when your changing water and food: one damp with soapy water, and one damp with just water: voila! Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #56 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #56] Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 14 February 2007 - 07:03 PM Bumping for new members.. Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #57 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #57] CindyL Adv Member Members 36 posts 0 warning points Location:Arizona Posted 16 February 2007 - 06:58 AM Ok sometimes in the early evening I have Sleeptime Tea, it is green tea with no caffine in it..I put just a smig of milk in it. Both Mojo and Cozmo love it..would it hurt them to have some if there is only a little milk in it? Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #58 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #58] Casey's Mom Adv Member Members 9,357 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Toronto, Ontario Country:Canada Posted 16 February 2007 - 08:02 AM Hi Majj, I notice that it says shavings shouldn't be used, and we don't use them, we just use newspaper too, but isn't giving them wood to chew on the same thing? Should parrots not be given wood to chew on? Because it seems like everyone has it in their cages, they sell it at the stores etc. I thought they just picked it apart and played with it in their mouth and then spit it out... Is this something to be concerned about??? unsure.gif Thanks! smile.gif Like This casey_1-2.jpg Casey: Quaker 7.5 years 2 Shaft tail finches 1 year Gaston, Daniel: Coton de Tulears 8.5 yrs, 5.5 yrs and BlueFish and GirlFish: Male Blue Betta/Red Female Betta Fish Speedy: BlueFish's pet snail Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #59 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #59] gypsygal Adv Member Members 2,513 posts 0 warning points Location:Troy Missouri Posted 16 February 2007 - 09:52 AM Giving them wood to chew on is fine.If my macaw's didn't have wood to chew..they would more then likely chew the house down wacko.gif My understanding about the bedding is that it creates a pefect place for bacteria and mold to grow.Once the bedding gets moist..it takes a very short time for the mold to grow.Aspargillo (sp?) is a mold that is a big danger to our fids.Better safe then sorry.use newspaper smile.gif Like This Bye from Angie and the zoo My zoo: Quaker parrot ~ Dodger Male Greenwing Macaw ~ Sebastion Female Greenwing Macaw ~ Shelby Golden Retriever ~ Sonny(Buddy's Daddy) Golden retriever/yellow lab mix ~ Buddy(Sonny's pup) Black pug ~ Mindy Baby cornsnake ~ Ziggy Dwarf Hamster ~ Pee Wee Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #60 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #60] Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 10 July 2007 - 04:50 PM Bump for new fid owners.. 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Post by msdani1981 on Jul 2, 2014 17:09:09 GMT -5
jkramer8 Adv Member Members 44 posts 0 warning points Location:Wisconsin Country:USA Posted 10 July 2007 - 06:07 PM I use a bedding that is made with natural oat fiber. I asked my vet and he said it was even ok for him to munch on.  Which he does sometimes at the top of his cage. Should I get rid of it right away?? Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #62 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #62] Alusdra Adv Member Members 768 posts 0 warning points Location:Baltimore, MD Posted 11 July 2007 - 08:39 AM Paper really is best. I don't know what your bedding is exactly- it sounds more like pieces of wood flakes/shavings?- but either way. Why not just use paper? It's free/ nearly free and easier to see what your bird's droppings look like day to day. Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #63 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #63] Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 16 September 2007 - 01:08 AM Bumping for new members....again.. Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #64 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #64] jukiebird Adv Member Members 44 posts 0 warning points Location:Chrisman, IL Country:USA Posted 16 September 2007 - 05:49 AM I thought about that when I started using the ground Walnut shells ... but where it is in my cages, they can't reach it... it is lining the bottom and they don't walk in it. Thanks for this, people do need to see it. Like This Mom of Keebee G2, GCC's, OW's, QP's, Tiels, cats, a dog and 5 human children [email protected] Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #65 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #65] tikileahsmom Adv Member Members 970 posts 0 warning points Location:Michigan Country:USA Posted 17 September 2007 - 07:43 PM Thanks for sharing this! I wonder if it's dangerous for our birds to eat actual corn cob while eating their corn on the cob? One of my greys will eat some of his once in a while tikileahsmom Like This Posted Image flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/"How great the reverence I feel when a small bird accepts me as a friend." Helen Thomson "Many have forgotten this truth but you must not forget it. We remain responsible forever for what we have tamed." Antoine de Saint-Exupery Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #66 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #66] Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 10 November 2007 - 03:45 PM Bumping up for new bird parronts... Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #67 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #67] Janie Adv Member Members 104 posts 0 warning points Location:weiner arkansas south of jonesboro Country:usa Posted 25 November 2007 - 11:24 PM QUOTE (petGroomer51 @ May 13 2005, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The cerial its self won't hurt as long as it isn't high sugar...but the milk is not good for fids they can not digest it...I would try to give it dry..smile.gif is it allright to put soy milk on their cereal its not really milk and rocky likes his that way Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #68 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #68] lolaleedog Adv Member Members 101 posts 0 warning points Country:united states Posted 26 November 2007 - 03:04 PM unsure.gif Scary I have only had my corn cob bedding in for a few days and my quaker is afraid to go to the bottom. thank goodness. Threw it out. Thanks for the info. Why do they sell this stuff if it is going to harm the bird? crazy Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #69 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #69] Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 17 September 2008 - 12:52 AM New Fid owners may find reading this very helpful ... Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #70 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #70] msdani1981 Love My Pets Senior Forum Manager 3,286 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Bellingham, Washington Country:United States Posted 17 September 2008 - 09:47 AM QUOTE (lolaleedog @ Nov 26 2007, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> unsure.gif Scary I have only had my corn cob bedding in for a few days and my quaker is afraid to go to the bottom. thank goodness. Threw it out. Thanks for the info. Why do they sell this stuff if it is going to harm the bird? crazy The pet stores sell this stuff because they make money off of it. The same reason they sell the sand paper perch covers, which are bad for their feet. Before you go crazy buying things for your baby, do some research first. Zach and I use the pages of old phone books in our cages, it works wonders. We've discovered several of our birds health problems by being able to clearly see their poop. Dani Thank you so much, Majj, for refreshing this post. This information needs to spread as quickly as possible. DaniNewSiggy.gif Dani and Zach Birds: Taz (Cockatiel) and Chewy (Quaker) Dog: Bilbo Cat: Diablo Aquarium Friends: Mr. Newt, Fish, Mantis Shrimp Horse: Camelia (Cami) Rehomed: Mickey the pigeon, Gypsy the horse, and 4 of the Jackson 5 (Diamond Doves) RIP Arnie, Sammy, Conan, Ms. Praying Mantis, Petey and Tito Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report |
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Post by msdani1981 on Jul 2, 2014 17:10:07 GMT -5
ScarlettAngel Adv Member Members 134 posts 0 warning points Location:Florida Country:USA Posted 18 September 2008 - 08:26 PM Several years ago I worked in a pet store and I am a rodent lover. (ratties especially biggrin.gif ) I once offered advice to a woman who brought up a huge bag of cedar chip bedding to the register for her rabbit and i informed her that we sold many other beddings which were far healthier choices. She was rather annoyed and asked me "why do they sell it as pet bedding then if it's so bad for them?" So I asked her, "why do they sell cigarrettes?" laugh.gif Aside from that tho, I had heard about the dangers of corn cob bedding before and never used it, but in Pugsly's smaller cage he would always rip the newspaper up through the grate making a big mess and very difficult to clean. So, while in his bigger cage he only has newspaper cuz the grate is high enough that he can't get to it, in the smaller cage i line the bottom with newspaper and then i top that with a layer of Swheat Scoop wheat kitty litter so he cant get at the paper. This is the litter i use for foster kittens as it's supposed to be safer if they eat it. Bad to use for birdies? Now i wonder. Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #72 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #72] Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 10 February 2009 - 07:32 PM Maybe this needs to be read by new members... Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #73 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #73] moonchild1970 Verde's Slave Members 4,168 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Spokane, WA Country:USA Posted 10 February 2009 - 09:12 PM Really need to make a sticky out of this! And for those that just stopped using corn cob. VERY scary that it can take up to a year for symptoms to show. I would make it known to your bird's vet, that your bird(s) at one point have been kept on corncob. Like This VERDE (M) Quaker DOH on 03/02/08 *** CECIL (M) Peachface Born here DOH 6/23/09 ~~~~LOVEBIRD RESCUES By Date of Rescue: ***03-12-08 BYRD BYRD (M)PeachFace. DOH 2003 ****11-19-09 SAMMY BOY & ZAZU (M) 3 Y/O Sibling Peachfaces DOH 2006 ***4-20-11 Luckyboo (M) Peachface DOH 2006 ***4-2012 ZeeBoo(Zane) DOB 2-2012 (M) Dutchblue Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #74 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #74] TenthDoctor Adv Member Members 117 posts 0 warning points Country:USA Posted 10 February 2009 - 10:54 PM I give Adrian the political section of the paper to poop on. As long as he doesn't learn to read, I don't think it'll hurt him wink.gif Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #75 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #75] PHENOMENON Adv Member Members 360 posts 0 warning points Location:Baltimore, MD Country:USA Posted 11 February 2009 - 06:47 AM I had learned of this some time after I first posted pics. A nice lady on another forum let me know that walnut shells and corn(crushed) cobs aren't suitable bedding for birds. Bammy has been on paper since. I only just 2 days ago stopped using paper too and now I just wipe the tray...with Clorox Anywhere Bleach spray... Kiwi had corncob bedding at the bottom of his cage, but I assumed he couldn't reach it. I'll remove it as soon as I get home just to be safe. Like This Posted Image Deborah www.debscaptivebredballpythons.comQuote The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us. Paul Valery, 1895 French critic & poet (1871 - 1945) Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #76 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #76] Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 30 April 2009 - 06:33 PM Managers I really think this info should be made a stick ..many new fid owners are unaware of the dangers .... Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #77 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #77] billy Adv Member Members 54 posts 0 warning points Country:USA Posted 30 May 2009 - 09:35 AM Is it ok to feed my bird corn on the cob? Attached Thumbnails Poncho_at_jeff_.jpg Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #78 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #78] Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 30 May 2009 - 06:28 PM Yep I do.. not everyday as its high in sugar ..the boys love it I cook it and put it on a skewer on their playstand... or on a skewer in their cage.. a old piccy with JJ, Sunny and Buddy.. Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #79 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #79] Dolly's Mom Adv Member Members 322 posts 0 warning points Country:USA Posted 01 June 2009 - 08:26 PM Thank you so much for this info. I was looking at the different bedding that I could use in the bottom of my babies cage but decided to just use newspaper for a while. I'm so glad I saw this, although the article is heartbreaking, it is priceless information. Thanks again Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #80 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #80] Sara and Kio Adv Member Members 70 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:IL Country:USA Posted 21 September 2009 - 08:15 AM Thanks for this! I never would have known... Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report |
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Post by msdani1981 on Jul 2, 2014 17:11:32 GMT -5
Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 21 September 2009 - 12:36 PM Ues its great information pass on to all bird owners... smile.gif Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #82 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #82] moonchild1970 Verde's Slave Members 4,168 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Spokane, WA Country:USA Posted 30 September 2009 - 08:11 PM Deinitely! This cannot be repeated too many times! Like This VERDE (M) Quaker DOH on 03/02/08 *** CECIL (M) Peachface Born here DOH 6/23/09 ~~~~LOVEBIRD RESCUES By Date of Rescue: ***03-12-08 BYRD BYRD (M)PeachFace. DOH 2003 ****11-19-09 SAMMY BOY & ZAZU (M) 3 Y/O Sibling Peachfaces DOH 2006 ***4-20-11 Luckyboo (M) Peachface DOH 2006 ***4-2012 ZeeBoo(Zane) DOB 2-2012 (M) Dutchblue Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #83 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #83] Burty Newbie New Members 2 posts 0 warning points Country:USA Posted 06 October 2009 - 04:19 PM Thanks for the info. Will be dumping the kob and putting the papers back. laugh.gif Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #84 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #84] moonchild1970 Verde's Slave Members 4,168 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Spokane, WA Country:USA Posted 10 January 2010 - 12:14 PM *Bumping again for new FID onwers* Like This VERDE (M) Quaker DOH on 03/02/08 *** CECIL (M) Peachface Born here DOH 6/23/09 ~~~~LOVEBIRD RESCUES By Date of Rescue: ***03-12-08 BYRD BYRD (M)PeachFace. DOH 2003 ****11-19-09 SAMMY BOY & ZAZU (M) 3 Y/O Sibling Peachfaces DOH 2006 ***4-20-11 Luckyboo (M) Peachface DOH 2006 ***4-2012 ZeeBoo(Zane) DOB 2-2012 (M) Dutchblue Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #85 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #85] Majj Marion aka Majj Members 13,109 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Australia East Coast Country:Australia Posted 10 January 2010 - 03:33 PM This is great information ...I did think it was put as a sticky somewhere... :wacko: Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #86 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #86] Iggstar Newbie Members 8 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Country:Canada Posted 10 January 2010 - 09:08 PM THANK YOU, and thanks for the bump... 'cos I'm one o them newbies I was considering trying this stuff but somehow the idea didn't sit well. I'm so very glad I read this post. Here's an idea I wanted to share... something I discovered a few years back... if I go to our local newspaper, I can get plain newsprint 'roll ends' for a nominal cost (like, $5 cash). One of these rolls will last me for MONTHS... 1-2 inches of rolled newsprint goes a long way for a bird owner! I turned my mom onto this idea to... brought her a roll and since she only has one bird, it lasted her an entire year. I just store the roll on it's end in the closet and cut off what I need... and since it's unprinted there's no issue about not seeing the droppings, etc. It can also go into most municipal waste programs as compost. These are the ends of the rolls they use for printing and would otherwise become waste. I'd imagine that maybe *some* printers might even give you the stuff for free. Iggy Bobby n the flock Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #87 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #87] Kurt Member Members 20 posts 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:North Mississippi, USA Country:USA Posted 10 January 2010 - 09:16 PM I am very frugal and thought newspaper would be best, but my bf convinced me that pine shavings or cob were more absorbant, natural, asthetically pleasing, and counter-acted odor. Not after knowing this, I'm back to cheap newspaper lining! There isn't anything in newspaper that may be toxic to a quaker, is there? Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #88 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #88] Andie's Mom Adv Member Members 12,839 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Spokane WA Country:United States Posted 10 January 2010 - 11:40 PM News print is probably the best type of "litter" you can use. The inks are now soy based so even if they ingest the paper, it won't hurt them. It also acts as an antibacterial to some degree and it won't mold like your shavings and that type of thing will when the moisture form their poop soaks in. Not only that but there are no sharp edges on it that if ingested would harm the intestinal tract of the bird unlike the ground walnut shell and it won't harm the respiratory system with strong odor from the oils in cedar shavings and pine shavings to some degree. Like This Andie's Mom and Flock: Cash: Umbrella Cockatoo Bobbi : Hahns Macaw Paddie Wack QP Ollie, QP, Bailey Blue and Gold Macaw Simon, Black headed Caique Lady Gouldian Finches, and 2 Society Finches 17 Quakers in outside flight. Callie, Toes, Smudge, Thumper (cats) Wicket,Min.Schnauzer Ollie, Staffordshire Terrier Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #89 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #89] moonchild1970 Verde's Slave Members 4,168 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Spokane, WA Country:USA Posted 23 January 2010 - 12:12 AM I have heard it best to stick with the black and white though. The colored inks are supposed to be toxic. Anyone know? Like This VERDE (M) Quaker DOH on 03/02/08 *** CECIL (M) Peachface Born here DOH 6/23/09 ~~~~LOVEBIRD RESCUES By Date of Rescue: ***03-12-08 BYRD BYRD (M)PeachFace. DOH 2003 ****11-19-09 SAMMY BOY & ZAZU (M) 3 Y/O Sibling Peachfaces DOH 2006 ***4-20-11 Luckyboo (M) Peachface DOH 2006 ***4-2012 ZeeBoo(Zane) DOB 2-2012 (M) Dutchblue Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #90 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #90] Andie's Mom Adv Member Members 12,839 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Spokane WA Country:United States Posted 23 January 2010 - 12:18 AM Anymore it doesn't matter...most all the inks now are soy based. The reason for not using the color is that the paper is slicker and doesn't absorb the moisture as well... At least that's what I've been told... The papers like your fancy ads are on like sales circulars etc... My birds seem to like the comic pages... maybe their reading the comics...I don't know...  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Post by msdani1981 on Jul 2, 2014 17:12:31 GMT -5
Simiesmom Adv Member Members 475 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Westland, MI Country:USA Posted 05 February 2010 - 04:29 PM Wow I somehow missed this post. I use newspaper only, tried wood type once but I couldn't stand the smell so it was gone in about an hour. I just figured that free was best after all he was only pooping on it anyway, Simie won't touch it seems he thinks its too scary. Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #92 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #92] deereigna Member Members 14 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Oklahoma Country:USA Posted 26 May 2010 - 10:43 PM Thank you so much! I've only used newspaper, but I looked at both corn cob and walnut at the store! Glad I decided not to buy it!Posted Image Like This Deereigna-AngieReed Sassy- female QP Buddy- male QP Dodger- male Golden Retreiver Lilly- female Schnauser Oliver- male Manx Gizmo- male American Shorthair Tabby Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #93 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #93] Faye and Simi Newbie Members 9 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Dallas TX Country:USA Posted 15 June 2010 - 08:12 PM I am handfeeding a 6 week old QP and just bought a bag of Back-To-Nature paper pellets for the substrate in her aquarium home. I was using pine shavings but the pet shop said it was bad for her since she keeps chewing on them. Is the paper pellets really better for her? The bird shop, who also have almost 50 birds they are handfeeding, says that is all they ever use and claimed it was safer. Thanks in advance for any advise Faye (in Dallas TX) Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #94 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #94] Cooper's Mommy Adv Member Members 513 posts 0 warning points Gender:Not Telling Country:Canada Posted 16 June 2010 - 01:44 AM 'pepe', on 17 May 2005 - 6:53 PM, said: What about peanut shells? A definite No-No! Not only could they cause the same kind of impactions as grit and bedding materials if ingested; but, they also contain a really bad bacteria .... sorry I forget the name of it at the moment. Edited by QPmommy2b, 16 June 2010 - 01:48 AM. Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #95 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #95] bamp quakers Newbie New Members 2 posts 0 warning points Country:0ntario canada Posted 17 June 2010 - 10:40 AM 'Majj', on 28 Apr 2005 - 06:43 AM, said: Posted Image DANGER! ORGANIC BEDDING Christine A. Cannon,DVM The Northwest Bird Club Aviculturists have a new headache to watch out for, Organic bedding. We've been seeing birds die of grit impactions for years now, as we slowly (but hopefully) get the information out to the bird-owning public. Now, we have new killers. I had a breeder find her male Severe Macaw dead one morning. She had had the bird for about a year. He had sired 12 fertile eggs during that year and had been observed feeding his mate the evening before his death. Fortunately for us, the breeder is one of those who is willing to have necropsies done on her birds, so if there is anything to learn from a bird's death, we will. When we opened the bird's body we discovered that there were signs of bleeding into the bowel. The gizzard and proventriculus were both distended with bloody food and small corn cob bedding. There was so much cob in there that there was very little room for food. Like grit, the corn cob bedding was inert and stayed in the gizzard. Unlike grit, the stuff swelled. This bird had not had access to corn cob bedding for over a year. Another notable necropsy was an Amazon that died suddenly. His proventriculus was thickened and his bowel, just past the gizzard, showed gross evidence of bleeding. His gizzard was FULL of walnut shell bedding. He had access to the bedding for a few hours, a month before death. A survivor that had also only had two hours of access to walnut shell bedding was seen at the clinic for off and on eating and off and on depression for five days. Fecal content of the droppings was decreased and black in color. His urates (the whites) and urine (the clear liquid) were normal. The bird had been observed to be choking or trying to regurgitate and then vomit the evening before presentation. Blood work indicated that the bird was fighting off an infection or inflammation. The history and physical indicated that he probably had a bowel obstruction. The owner declined X-rays and barium series and would not have opted for surgery if the problem was a tumor, so we attempted medical therapy. With laxatives and antibiotics, the bird started passing more volume feces in his droppings. It took more than 48 hours to get rid of bowel bleeding. An 8 week old Senegal baby started to regurgitate and have variable crop emptying time. The next day, the baby passed bloody droppings. We started antibiotics and he improved for 24 hours. Then he started to pass walnut shell bedding in his droppings -- 3 to 6 pieces per dropping. He had been parent-raised for his first sixteen days. His parents were in a cage over a tray of walnut shell bedding that was thought to be out of reach, due to a cage bottom grill. That is as close as the young one got to the bedding. After three days of treatment, he had a dropping containing about fifteen pieces of the bedding... and DIED. So please, don't risk your bird's life. Not just babies eat cage bottom materials. Adults can, and do, as well. And birds of all ages can die from that behavior. So, NO WALNUT SHELL BEDDING, NO CORN COB BEDDING and NO KITTY LITTER. Plain old newspaper, paper towels, brown paper bags, etc., work just fine. You can see and evaluate daily droppings, catching any changes before the problem is overwhelming. Color, size, consistency and number of droppings are all VERY important. Sure, it's easier to keep clean if you only change bedding once a week or so, but who knows what's going on with the droppings if they can't see them? What about bedding in bredding boxs? Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #96 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #96] hartsafire Newbie New Members 1 posts 0 warning points Country:USA Posted 05 August 2010 - 05:00 PM WOW I am definately glad I came here. I was wondering what type of covering for the bottom of the cage. We pick up a 3 yr old male quaker on Saturday. Im gonna need a lot of help. This is my first quaker. I have had cockatiels and parrolets but thats been years ago. Saltwater tanks is what I have now but they are enclosed .The now owner said to give him 2 weeks to get use to a new home. Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #97 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #97] Alex is a good boy Newbie Members 5 posts 0 warning points Country:USA Posted 01 December 2010 - 08:38 AM My Quaker has been sick for awhile puking mostly, I just read about the walnut liter and I think that is what making Alex sick. What do I need to do to make him better? Please help! Like This My Alex has trained me well. Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #98 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #98] Carrie~Anne "The Sound of Birds Stops The Noise In My Mind" Senior Forum Manager 16,353 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:British Columbia Country:Canada Posted 01 December 2010 - 08:53 AM Taking him to the vet would be a great start Like This Living With Parrots is Infinitely Fascinating.... Tiko - Congo African Grey (1993) Chi Chi - Green Cheek Conure (2005) Lo Lee - Maroon Bellied Conure (2005) Max - Quaker Parrot (2005~2011) RIP Little One Love Your Pet?? Thank A Breeder!! Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #99 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #99] Alex is a good boy Newbie Members 5 posts 0 warning points Country:USA Posted 01 December 2010 - 09:12 AM 'Carrie~Anne', on 01 Dec 2010 - 08:53 AM, said: Taking him to the vet would be a great start Posted Image Yes, I agree. I'm not having much luck in finding a vet in our area that will take him. (Indianapolis IN area) The one that I have found, the reviews are so awful I am afraid to take him there. Plus my husband and I are both jobless at this time  I do understand if he was my child I would spare no expense.. but at least I could take them to a county hospital. They don't have that for pets. I Just need to know if I clean out his cage would that solve the problem, or would it take meds to help him. If there is something that "I" can do myself would be great. If not and he really needs to go to a vet..... I can borrow the money. I really hate the situation I'm in, but I hate that he is sick. Like This My Alex has trained me well. Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #100 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #100] Carrie~Anne "The Sound of Birds Stops The Noise In My Mind" Senior Forum Manager 16,353 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:British Columbia Country:Canada Posted 01 December 2010 - 09:39 AM Well definitely taking out the bedding is a must. Even if that isn't what is making him sick, it isn't a good thing to have in their cage. Unfortunately, the only way to tell for sure what is wrong with him is a visit to the vet. If he is projectile vomiting, then something serious is going on. You said that it has been going on for a while....how long is 'a while'? Like This Living With Parrots is Infinitely Fascinating.... Tiko - Congo African Grey (1993) Chi Chi - Green Cheek Conure (2005) Lo Lee - Maroon Bellied Conure (2005) Max - Quaker Parrot (2005~2011) RIP Little One Love Your Pet?? Thank A Breeder!! Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report |
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Alex is a good boy Newbie Members 5 posts 0 warning points Country:USA Posted 03 December 2010 - 02:16 PM 'Carrie~Anne', on 01 Dec 2010 - 09:39 AM, said: Well definitely taking out the bedding is a must. Even if that isn't what is making him sick, it isn't a good thing to have in their cage. Unfortunately, the only way to tell for sure what is wrong with him is a visit to the vet. If he is projectile vomiting, then something serious is going on. You said that it has been going on for a while....how long is 'a while'? Alex is- not puking so much now, and it wasn't projectile. He mostly bobs his head up and down and then it comes out, looks like mucus. He drinks lots of water, sleeps all the time and he has stopped whistling and talking except to say night night, and all he wants me to do is hold him and cover his head. He has been sick about 3 weeks, the worst part was then. He wasn't constantly puking, but I know he wasn't feeling good, because he would let anyone hold him and I am usually the only one he will allow to touch him. I thought he was better a few days ago, but then he started the head bobbing again still no whistling or talking. We just cleaned out his cage yesterday and put news paper down. Hopefully he will feel better soon. I was really hoping someone would tell me where a good Avian Vet is in my area. I got Alex when he was 17 yrs old, In May it will be 2 yrs. He will only eat seed and I tried to give him pellets, but he wouldn't have anything to do with it. I have introduced him to human food. I really thought that was making him sick by feeding it to him. I would let him try anything he wanted. Come to find out he loves potato's, carrots, pea's any type of bread and pasta and banana's or anything with salt or sugar on it. (now know sugar is not good) Thanks for answering! Mary Like This My Alex has trained me well. Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #102 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #102] Divit's Mom Member Members 26 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Country:United States Posted 29 December 2010 - 07:26 PM I am a newbie and my friend told me to use corn cob and gave me some to start me off. I put paper towels on top of it. I recently spoke to a lady that I will be buying seed from and sells the corn cob to my friend. I told her about the paper towels and she told me since all I have is one bird and I change the towels every day anyway not to waste my money on the cob. I will be throwing it out. Thanks for the info Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #103 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #103] Lilysmom Adv Member Members 30 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Indiana, USA Country:USA Posted 08 January 2011 - 05:47 PM I use the corn cob bedding and the cages I have do not have the grid at the bottom, I was told the grid would give them bumble foot and that the ink from the paper was not safe for birds. Pauly and Lily both scavage on the bottom of the cage. I am getting rid of the corn cob bedding, praying it isn't too late. Like This Me...Betty 3 dogs...Bandit, Holly and Toby 2 QP's.... Pauly and Lilybird 2 Cats... Boots [15 yrs old ] and Oliver [2 yrs] 2 beautiful daughters..Nicole and Bethany Hubby...Steve Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #104 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #104] msdani1981 Love My Pets Senior Forum Manager 3,286 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Bellingham, Washington Country:United States Posted 08 January 2011 - 06:58 PM I'm so annoyed right now...Zach and I went to Petsmart yesterday, and were looking at their birds. They have a Jenday Conure (really beautiful, in adult plumage -just that makes me angry, the fact that it's been at the store for so long- but anyway...as we watched, it went to the bottom of the enclosure and started eating the bedding...it's this kind. I was like, "Oh no, that's not good at all...that can cause an impacted crop!" so we went to tell the girl in charge of that department, sort of a friend of Zach's (she is a regular customer at the pet store he works at). Her response was "Oh, yeah. He's crazy, he does that all the time!" and laughed it off. I told her all the problems it can cause in the future, and she sighed and said "I know. But we can't change it, the higher-ups won't let us." It makes me so mad!! DaniNewSiggy.gif Dani and Zach Birds: Taz (Cockatiel) and Chewy (Quaker) Dog: Bilbo Cat: Diablo Aquarium Friends: Mr. Newt, Fish, Mantis Shrimp Horse: Camelia (Cami) Rehomed: Mickey the pigeon, Gypsy the horse, and 4 of the Jackson 5 (Diamond Doves) RIP Arnie, Sammy, Conan, Ms. Praying Mantis, Petey and Tito Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #105 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #105] Lornas Gypsy Adv Member Members 186 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Country:USA Posted 25 April 2011 - 11:26 PM Oh thanks so much i was thinking news paper could harm my bird Gypsy but now that i know it is ok i will keep using it as well as paper towels.  Like This Lornas Gypsy Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #106 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #106] Debys Fids Adv Member Members 449 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:WAYNE,MI. Country:USA Posted 13 July 2011 - 08:42 PM what about the Carefresh Bedding just incase I ever become a Granfid lol you never know with Opey and Blueberry around Like This Posted Image Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #107 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #107] MsViv Adv Member Members 68 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:OK Country:US Posted 20 July 2011 - 06:38 PM Thanks for this information. I was blessed to get my baby from a lady that uses a white recycled paper product. It cost a bit more then the non-white so that is what I got. Will go the the white or regular newspaper when this is gone as it's hard to see what the poop looks like. I do have a question though... I have some puppy training pads that my dogs refuse to use and was wondering if I could use these on the bottom of the cage. (It doesn't have the wire bottom, as I pulled that out before I brought Sammie home. ) thanks MsV Like This MsV, Julie, Abby, and Goldie Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #108 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #108] Sandi Kiwis Mom "Love Me...Love My Fids!!!! Forum Manager 20,884 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Deland, FL Country:USA Posted 20 July 2011 - 07:59 PM just use plain ol newspaper. It is acid free and safe for birds. They don't need extravagant stuff. Puppie training pads are not safe, they have alot of fibers and stuff in that filling that will hurt your bird. I have used newspaper for years and Kiwi loves to tear up the newspaper and make little spit balls. Kiwi is almost 12 yrs old..... Like This forum_manager.png Mr. Kiwi, quaker, hatched 11-06-99 Miss Gidget, green cheek, hatched 3-12-05 Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #109 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #109] headfeathermistress Adv Member Members 715 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Vancouver, Wa Country:USA Posted 20 July 2011 - 09:44 PM Newspaper is all I use. Christa Like This Christa Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #110 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #110] MsViv Adv Member Members 68 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:OK Country:US Posted 21 July 2011 - 08:25 PM 'Sandi Kiwis Mom', on 20 Jul 2011 - 7:59 PM, said: just use plain ol newspaper. It is acid free and safe for birds. They don't need extravagant stuff. Puppie training pads are not safe, they have alot of fibers and stuff in that filling that will hurt your bird. I have used newspaper for years and Kiwi loves to tear up the newspaper and make little spit balls. Kiwi is almost 12 yrs old..... Thanks for the reply. I talked to the lady I bought Sammie from and she said the same thing so I will check with neighbors to see if they have any papers they can give me. MsV 'ashbirdlady', on 20 Jul 2011 - 9:44 PM, said: Newspaper is all I use. Christa Thanks Christa, what I am now planning on doing. MsV Like This MsV, Julie, Abby, and Goldie Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #111 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #111] Roasted_Peppers Member Members 16 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Country:United States Posted 15 August 2011 - 11:38 AM That's horrible, I'm glad I found this. I've never heard of Organic Bedding but I'm glad I found this out before discovering the product without this warning. I've been using packing papers I get from my friend's father's motorcycle shop. I only pick the brown papers that are kinda cardboard like. I stay away from the colored ones and the white one's in case of possible bleaches or dyes. I did use newspaper before bringing Bella over to my bf's house. Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #112 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #112] Gypsyqueen Member Members 16 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Country:USA Posted 20 May 2012 - 10:35 AM The person I bought my baby Quaker from told me to use wood shaving for his nest for him to sit in, but I bought nesting paper from petsmart it's all shredded paper I thought it was a better choice hope I was right. Please voice any opinions I don't want to make a mistake. Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #113 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #113] DebJDuff Newbie Members 9 posts 0 warning points Gender:Female Location:Edgewater, FL Country:USA Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:08 PM I know all but Aspen shavings are bad for other furry critters, like my sugar gliders... no clue about birds, I'd think probably not good either.... pine and cedar are both bad IMO. I find newspaper works best with them..... I did buy some of this other stuff for the birds..... tho, I am going to switch to newspaper since I think it will be less messy and easier to clean up. This is that other stuff: It does last long... but for critters that soak up the cage with urine it holds the smell IMO IMAG0949.jpg Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report #114 [ORGANIC BEDDING is a DANGER...: post #114] Flow Member Members 29 posts 0 warning points Country:England Posted 14 July 2012 - 06:26 AM Oh my gosh! That is frightening, thanks for info. I use corn cob but thankfully I have a grill in my cage so my little Geordie cannot get to it. But he can on play stand but it coming straight off. Like This Quote MultiQuote Delete Hide Edit Report |
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Which he does sometimes at the top of his cage. Should I get rid of it right away??
