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Post by Jan and Shah on Mar 25, 2015 16:57:43 GMT -5
I take offence at one of the comments made on this thread. We also have ceiling fans and there is no way I am going to let Shah fly into one of those. He can fly but he doesnt gain altitude as he has his wings clipped. He had clipped wings when I first bought him. I have let them grow a couple of times but nearly had heart attacks as I watched him fly through the house when he got a scare. However, clipped or unclipped is a choice that we must make for our individual circumstances. I dont believe in berrating people because others think it is wrong. As far as I am concerned, the bird's welfare (and safety) comes first and if you can provide a safe place for your birds to fly around in, good for you. I currently cannot do that. So should I just give Shah away after 10 years of togetherness because he has clipped wings and people view that as wrong? I will say no more on the subject.
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Post by rickygonzalez on Mar 25, 2015 17:40:31 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to offend anyone. I get the ceiling fan problem. I live in Texas where it gets very hot. I personally bought oscillating fans and disconnected the ceiling fans. Jan, you are correct it is each individuals choice either way. The main point I was making was clipped or not we must be vigilant all the time and not let our guard down. Im sorry if I offended anyone it was not my intent. It certainly is not personal against anyone on here.
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Post by msdani1981 on Mar 25, 2015 19:25:11 GMT -5
We've been on both sides. For the first few years we had Taz and Chewy, we were diligent about clipping them for their safety. Now, they havent been clipped for several years, and I do think they're happier. They can be more...stubborn and definitely have more attitude, which can be very trying at times. I've threatened to clip them several times, to get control of their attitudes. There definitely are circumstances where clipping is the best thing for them. It really is a matter of personal opinion and nobody can say what is right or wrong for someone else. We can talk about our own experiences, and give advice that way.
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Post by Jan and Shah on Mar 25, 2015 19:56:47 GMT -5
Okay, I dont want this to get out of hand but the comment that upset me was "If you don't want a pet that flies, get one that doesn't." I live in rented accommodation and if my housemate wants to put the ceiling fan on, I cant stop that. Also, the cockatiels are free flying. If Shah gets near them he will kill both of them - I am not joking about this. And at the end of the day, Shah picked me - not the other way around. Dont know why I feel the need to justify my actions but the people on this forum are like my family and I dont want them to think badly of me because I made a choice to ensure my quaker's safety in this environment.
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Post by aaron on Mar 25, 2015 20:00:30 GMT -5
I certainly agree that there are some circumstances where clipping is appropriate. Ceiling fans and flighted birds don't mix, definitely. I don't blame anyone for clipping, especially if it is done correctly and the bird can still get around. Just isn't my thing, and we happen to have a situation that is quite conducive to having a flighted bird, but I know there's lots of cases where clipping not only makes sense, but is necessary for the bird's safety.
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Post by rickygonzalez on Mar 25, 2015 23:34:51 GMT -5
Jan, I understand your position entirely. I should have been more specific. That was my mistake, for that I'm very sorry. I wasn't suggesting that clipping made anyone a bad owner. I like this forum very much and have found you and the others very helpful. Again, I am very sorry for offending you or anyone else.
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Post by easttex on Mar 26, 2015 4:34:27 GMT -5
There's probably not a lot more that needs to be said here , but I want to add one thing. I don't think anyone on this forum does anything with their birds without a lot of thought and care. I would not second guess anyone here on the decisions they've made on clipping. However, there are a lot of people "out there" who are not that conscientious, or even curious, for that matter, and they don't give much thought to their bird's well-being. For them, getting something that doesn't fly would be really good advice. Of course, they are not likely to be in a place where they will get that advice.
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Post by aaron on Mar 26, 2015 9:52:19 GMT -5
Totally agree. Well said, easttex.
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Post by siobhan on Mar 26, 2015 13:44:11 GMT -5
We don't have ceiling fans anymore, and the window fans I use in the birds' rooms in summer are so well covered with venting that the birds can't get to the blades (and Ringo has tried, the stinker). When we lived in our old house, we just left the ceiling fan off. Maggie enjoyed flying up there and landing on it, and the force of her landing made it turn around once or twice and she enjoyed riding it, but we unplugged it and never turned it on after we had birds. That's one of those hazards that too many people never think of until something horrible happens, I'm afraid. You have to look at your own household and your own bird's personality and figure out, as best you can without a crystal ball, what hazards are present and what you can do to keep your bird safe. You can't think of everything, but it's like baby-proofing a place. You try to think of everything, and you try to see your place through a bird's eyes. I keep fish tanks covered and even tape stiff cardboard over the openings that are necessary for heaters and pumps. I removed hooks that used to hold wall decorations when my parents lived in the house, because the tiels like to land on the curtain rods and I was afraid an awkward landing would get one of them impaled. My mom had hung some lattice from the ceiling and wove fake vines and flowers into it and Freddie flew into it once and bounced off and I took it down and threw it out. He wasn't hurt, just a little stunned, but out it went.
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Post by julianna on Mar 26, 2015 13:53:22 GMT -5
Wow... You all take excellent care of your birds and treat them as if they were family. Same here. Unfortunately I could never have children but I learned very early in age... that you NEVER say anything negative towards or about parent's children.... and for me ... the same applies to our feathered little ones. That was a very nice apology Ricky... thank you.
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Post by msdani1981 on Mar 26, 2015 15:36:47 GMT -5
Okay, since this thread has taken a less than positive turn, even with the apology (thank you, Ricky), I think it's time to lock it and move forward.
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