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Post by beccilouise on Feb 8, 2016 5:55:21 GMT -5
So this morning, I realised I had a lot of making up to do. Clearly I really upset Byron yesterday; this morning I went to pick up the harness, I put it on my me knee and he backed away from it with his beak open, which is a new behaviour. So now we are embarking on project START AGAIN. I just laid the harness on the table and put a trail of treats towards it. Then I put a little pile of treats in the middle of the harness. He snuck towards them, grabbed one and snuck back, but wouldn't go near the treats in the middle of the harness. The thing that encouraged him to go get the treats in the middle of the harness was when I 'perched' my head on the table and said 'look at all these yummy treats!' and then pretended to eat them. Byron got really annoyed, strode forward and ate before he realised what he was doing. I'm not going to try to fit the harness for the next week or so, I'm not going to try to fit the harness, I'm just going to encourage him to eat treats from the harness. I've just resigned myself to the fact that, if it takes me two years to train him to wear the harness, then it takes me two years. I'd rather not terrify him, so it means starting again, and this means undoing some damage before we move forward. I have faith this can be done
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Post by aaron on Feb 8, 2016 13:15:55 GMT -5
Aw, sounds like he got pretty upset! I'm sure this is just a temporary setback. As you clearly understand, patience is going to be really important. You have far, far more of it than I do. Sounds like you have the right corrective approach. Speaking of bird trauma, Cupcake went to the vet for a brief checkup because she had been sneezing late last week, and of course they concluded everything was fine, but for whatever reason this visit was extremely traumatic for her. Probably because I let them take her into the back without us with her for a nail trim, which I will never do again. I have never seen her so scared. It was sad. She's fine now, but I'm wondering what's going to happen the next time we have to go back! Gah.
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Post by julianna on Feb 8, 2016 15:04:41 GMT -5
awwww for Byron and Cupcake. I know what you mean about traumatic as Oscar was the same way when I used to get his wings and nails trimmed. I had someone else do it because I did not want to be the mean one. Yes Oscar came out shaking scared however, he loved me all the more cause I was there waiting for him. I have never had his nails trimmed since then and I do his wings myself. It is much less scary for him.
But Aaron... the more often you go.. the less stress the bird will have... I think so anyway.
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Post by Jan and Shah on Feb 8, 2016 15:29:23 GMT -5
As Shah is used to going to the vet, there is no issue when he is taken away from me. Pippin is another story and screams until he can see me.
Beccilouise, take the harness away for a week or so. Give him a rest from it. It is obvious by his reaction that you are doing too much, too quickly. I have the same problem with Izzie if I try and push her too hard in a training session, then the next time I see her, she refuses to do anything including letting me catch her. So you tend to think that you are back to square one but that isn't quite true. They do remember what they have been taught and when you introduce the training again, they pick it up a lot faster.
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Post by biteybird on Feb 9, 2016 2:54:13 GMT -5
Hi Beccilouise, I think you could give Byron a break from the harness too - but also don't blame yourself too much for him being stressed out. It's easy to think progress is being made and to expect just that little bit more because things are going so well. You are correct in one of your previous posts about treating each other with respect. So for now I'd just respect his right to say "I need a break for a bit" and I'm sure that he will bounce back just fine!
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Post by beccilouise on Feb 9, 2016 5:00:39 GMT -5
Thanks guys, I wish I'd seen this post earlier, as I did the same treat-training with him today as I did yesterday. He was a little more confident today, however, but perhaps you are right and he deserves a little break. He's chirping away quite happily, preening and cleaning his feet on top of his play gym at the moment with the harness hanging beneath him, so it's obviously not bothering him TOO much, which is good. But perhaps I should not push him too hard to interact with it directly over the next few days, just as you say.
Poor little Cupcake! Byron isn't too happy about the vet either and scrambles onto my shoulder at every opportunity, but the vet is very taken with him and so Byron is slowly getting used to it. You've all said to me that these birds are pretty good at adapting and bouncing back so long as we are all mindful of their needs, and so far I have found that to be true. I'm sure that Cupcake will get used to it the more she goes, so long as she is always reassured and taken care of after, which you will always do.
I'm reading a book at the moment called 'Of Parrots And People', which is very good, but is also making me terrified (again) that Byron will be unhappy. In a way, though, I've come to see this guilt as important in helping me to give him and Cleo, my bunny, as full and rich a life as possible. The good thing about being an artist is that I make my own work and, most of the time, Byron can travel with me so he's not on his own. When he is in his cage and I'm not there, the bunny is there too so there is at least another living animal in the room with him. I guess we worry about our little feathered dinosaurs because they're not really pets, but companions. I'm sure both Byron and Cupcake will be fine, and Jan and Biteybird, thanks for the advice, I will give Byron a reprieve from harness training until next week or so.
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Post by julianna on Feb 9, 2016 16:21:32 GMT -5
I love the "feathered dinosaurs"... isn't that the truth. Good to give him a little rest but also good that he continually sees the harness.
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Post by beccilouise on Feb 9, 2016 17:24:23 GMT -5
Hahaha, they're so funny! I filmed Byron messing about and squawking on his play gym earlier, and freaking himself out with the swing. Then I played it back with him in the room without thinking. At the sound of another parrot in the room, he went CUH-RAZY! You know that really obnoxious noise they make that sounds like a cross between a chainsaw backfiring and a steelworks factory in full swing? Yeah, that one. I'm not sure what the noise meant, but he did not LOOK happy at all, his feathers were all flattened apart from the ones at the nape of his neck which were all standing up, he had his wings out a little and was screaming away. I've read that posture means 'anger' or 'aggression'. It only stopped when I lifted him up on my finger and showed him every inch of the living room to prove there were no other quaker 'affairs' hiding beneath the furniture! Hilarious. He's only 7 and a half months old, so I don't know how sexually motivated it was, maybe it was just the idea of another bird in his space that he got unhappy about.
Training wise, we did target training today and he loves it. I think now that he understands the 'game' of it, he quite enjoys it. I show him a treat, I hold up the stick, I say 'target', he beaks the stick, then the treat is delivered to him. He's getting so good at it that I can hold the treat at one end of his perch and the target stick at the other. When I say 'target' he will sidle AWAY from the treat and beak the stick, knowing this means the treat gets brought to him. He's such a clever boy! I made such a ridiculously excitable fuss of him that David couldn't stop laughing.
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Post by zim on Feb 10, 2016 12:21:27 GMT -5
It sounds like the training is going great with Byron! I'm enjoying following his progress here, and look forward to see future updates . About the video playback, I record Yoshi all the time and play it back. He will sometimes scream at it, but most of the time he does his contact call. I watched a parrot documentary yesterday on YouTube, and he was doing his contact call throughout most of it, it was kind of cute.
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Post by julianna on Feb 10, 2016 13:20:51 GMT -5
I also like Oscar to hear other birds so I find them on Utube mostly. Oscar shows a lot of interest but he won't call out to them. I also love showing him the other QP's in the bathroom mirrors. If I hold him centre to the mirrors... he can see 5 QP's at one time. Course they are all him. All he does in pretend to clean under his wing... but that usually means.. "no thanks". lol
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Post by beccilouise on Feb 10, 2016 16:55:56 GMT -5
Hahahaha, Byron is making friends with his bathroom reflection as I type. I sometimes worry about him being on his own and having no other birds. It's such an unnatural state for them. But we live in a flat and there is NO WAY I will be allowed another bird. Byron has the bunny and the radio for company when I'm not around and all the cuddles I can give him when I am. Perhaps in the future, if we have a bigger house at some point, I might adopt a rescue bird (if I'm allowed!) but for now, he is an only bird and will have as many cuddles as he needs! I got home late today because of another parents' evening and so Byron and I are just hanging out this evening. Training will resume tomorrow!
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Post by biteybird on Feb 11, 2016 2:01:25 GMT -5
Hahaha, they're so funny! I filmed Byron messing about and squawking on his play gym earlier, and freaking himself out with the swing. Then I played it back with him in the room without thinking. At the sound of another parrot in the room, he went CUH-RAZY! I find it weird that he didn't recognise his own noises! Bonnie doesn't freak out when she sees video of herself (we only have one or two), but she tries to answer the calls of the birdie on the computer.
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Post by beccilouise on Feb 11, 2016 2:04:25 GMT -5
Maybe he did recognise it and that's why he went nuts? My speakers aren't the best to be honest, so it's possible that it didn't sound much like him. He's called to birds when I watch David Attenborough documentaries, that was the first time he's reacted negatively to a bird sound/image that wasn't a raptor, so maybe he just wasn't expecting it. But he reacted the same way when I played the same clip a bit later to show David (having forgotten what a nut he'd been previously.)
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Post by beccilouise on Feb 11, 2016 2:04:53 GMT -5
Either that or my bird is particularly 'special' bless him.
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Post by aaron on Feb 11, 2016 10:16:36 GMT -5
If it's the first time he's heard a recording of a Quaker, i'd guess he's probably just reacting to the fact that he hears another bird like himself? Who knows, though. Cupcake seems to react more to Quaker videos than any other parrot... although that could be my imagination.
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